Reverse everything to do with apartheid: education MEC

On a positive note. Doesn't matter what happens here, the Afrikaner will adapt. Others will keep on moaning. Next protest: "The maths is too hard, it is an apartheid system" no maths in school any more. But the Afrikaner will adapt. We will live on and live strong while the rest eats our dust.

Heritage is heritage, which should be protected. Unless you're an Afrikaner though. Seems like we have less rights than criminals/rapists/murderers awaiting trial.
 
Trilkop said:
Ah well, home schooling it will be then. My children will eventually still be more clever than yours and even find beter jobs - albeit abroad and make much more money than your children ever will. Stop home schooling and we are out of here.
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Thats what we did. My kids both matriculated through Cambridge University.
 
Trilkop said:
What the faggot does not understand, is that when he makes an Afrikaans school dual medium, a number of Afrikaans speaking teachers will either leave themselves or be replaced by English speaking teachers. More often than not, these are people who are not properly qualified to teach or people who paid a bribe to his office to be appointed.
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Spot on. Seen this happen. Then the department force schools to take on students' whose parents cannot afford the school fees at all - thus the downward spiral begins.

My wife is a teacher, and between herself and the teacher friends - most are already looking towards other alternatives such as private schools or higher education. The salary is way too low for the amount of **** the have to put up with.
 
Trilkop said:
This is very true, but placing myself at risk, me as an Afrikaans speaking person with children do hve options for my kids to get a proper education, albeit home schooling through retired or retrenched Afrikaans speaking teachers.

I have a plan working the next 12 years to send my kids abroad to study. Whether they come back to SA or stay and work abroad is up to them.

Wonder what my fellow africans have in place for their children when the system eventually fails them?
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Why would you homeschool them in Afrikaans if you plan to send them to study abroad?
 
“We are doing this because we believe schools belong to all our children. They deserve to play together,” he said.

“We must share poverty. Poverty must not be shared by the poor. We must share privilege.”

Lesufi said he hated the tendency of some parents to remove their children from schools when black Africans started to attend.
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I agree with all 3 sentiments.
 
Trilkop said:
Ah well, home schooling it will be then. My children will eventually still be more clever than yours and even find beter jobs - albeit abroad and make much more money than your children ever will. Stop home schooling and we are out of here.
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Will they learn to spell as well?
 
abzo said:
Why would you homeschool them in Afrikaans if you plan to send them to study abroad?
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Because once they grasp the concepts in a language that they easily understand - they will be able to apply it in any language with very little change.
 
cr@zydude said:
Are comments like this really acceptable? Trilkp especially, not only uses a disgusting slur, but makes an outlandish claim and doesn't back it up.

For me, the logical long term stratergy must be a move towards all teaching being in English.
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Go check the studies dude, mother tongue education is the best.
 
Vrotappel said:
Go check the studies dude, mother tongue education is the best.
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Although I agree with the sentiment when you have 11 official languages and then several more it's not really feasible.
This is where the issues come in, a minority group in the country is trying to keep the lions share of infrastructure to educate their whelps and really don't give a rats arse about anyone else in the country.
 
AstroTurf said:
Although I agree with the sentiment when you have 11 official languages and then several more it's not really feasible.
This is where the issues come in, a minority group in the country is trying to keep the lions share of infrastructure to educate their whelps and really don't give a rats arse about anyone else in the country.
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Not the case. There is schools available to all - it just so happens that those schools - where the whelps are - are the better managed schools that everyone keeps trying to go after.
 
GhostSixFour said:
Not the case. There is schools available to all - it just so happens that those schools - where the whelps are - are the better managed schools that everyone keeps trying to go after.
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My daughter went to grade 1 this year.
We went to 6 schools.
2 were in a residential area with too many people, we did not get in.
2 were follower zones, we did not get in.
Of the last 2, 1 Principal insisted that we do an interview with him, he insisted we do it in Afrikaans (Not a problem as we both understand Afrikaans, I am also fluent in it as half my family are Afrikaans. My wife does not speak it (she is from England).
My daughter did not get in because she does not speak Afrikaans.
Later they tried getting us to take her in but after looking at the school kids in the classes and playground we refused, we also already got her into a different school by that time. Kids playing on the field looked like the opening moves on a chessboard. The classes were either all black or all white (the ones I walked past anyway).

So yea, It is not the general thing but there are still schools doing that 20 years after apartheid, always looking for some loophole in the system to keep their little Europeans pure or whatever you want to call it.

I would rather my daughter be the only white kid in school than estrange her from her equals at such a young age.
 
Vrotappel said:
Go check the studies dude, mother tongue education is the best.
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I was raised afrikaans but went to a double medium high school, there weren't so many boertjies left and they didn't have enough teachers for afrikaans medium so by matric I was writing 5 of my 7 subjects in English. This was the best possible thing that could happen to me. It made varsity in English SO much easier and I doubt I could study in Afrikaans now even if I tried.

But yeah, grasping languages helps from an early age. It's not just about knowing the language, but knowing how languages can differ. It helped me learn German and Norwegian on the fly without courses, albeit still very rusty.
 
AstroTurf said:
My daughter went to grade 1 this year.
We went to 6 schools.
2 were in a residential area with too many people, we did not get in.
2 were follower zones, we did not get in.
Of the last 2, 1 Principal insisted that we do an interview with him, he insisted we do it in Afrikaans (Not a problem as we both understand Afrikaans, I am also fluent in it as half my family are Afrikaans. My wife does not speak it (she is from England).
My daughter did not get in because she does not speak Afrikaans.
Later they tried getting us to take her in but after looking at the school kids in the classes and playground we refused, we also already got her into a different school by that time. Kids playing on the field looked like the opening moves on a chessboard. The classes were either all black or all white (the ones I walked past anyway).

So yea, It is not the general thing but there are still schools doing that 20 years after apartheid, always looking for some loophole in the system to keep their little Europeans pure or whatever you want to call it.

I would rather my daughter be the only white kid in school than estrange her from her equals at such a young age.
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Thanks for your anecdotal stories. I prefer my kid receiving his education in Afrikaans and I prefer the MEC not cannibalizing resources other parents and I pay a lot for. A school is only as good as its governing body, teachers and parents. Trying to force as school to do more than one language actually doubles the work load of that school and makes no sense. The ANC and its supporters can cry that language is used as a barrier to entry however we all know this is just the convenient detraction form their failures to provide proper schools and proper teachers. We all know that when the teachers from these 'transformed' schools are striking for more pay the teachers form the 'Afrikaans' schools are hard at work. So where is the real ****ing problem??
 
Voicy said:
I was raised afrikaans but went to a double medium high school, there weren't so many boertjies left and they didn't have enough teachers for afrikaans medium so by matric I was writing 5 of my 7 subjects in English. This was the best possible thing that could happen to me. It made varsity in English SO much easier and I doubt I could study in Afrikaans now even if I tried.

But yeah, grasping languages helps from an early age. It's not just about knowing the language, but knowing how languages can differ. It helped me learn German and Norwegian on the fly without courses, albeit still very rusty.
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Mother tongue to at least grade 7 (formative years).
 
Vrotappel said:
Thanks for your anecdotal stories. I prefer my kid receiving his education in Afrikaans and I prefer the MEC not cannibalizing resources other parents and I pay a lot for. A school is only as good as its governing body, teachers and parents. Trying to force as school to do more than one language actually doubles the work load of that school and makes no sense. The ANC and its supporters can cry that language is used as a barrier to entry however we all know this is just the convenient detraction form their failures to provide proper schools and proper teachers. We all know that when the teachers from these 'transformed' schools are striking for more pay the teachers form the 'Afrikaans' schools are hard at work. So where is the real ****ing problem??
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Yep, so move the Afrikaans kids to a smaller school or give them less of the schools resources. They are the minority and the amount of cash spent on them should reflect that.
 
Vrotappel said:
Studies have shown that mother tongue education provides the best foundation.
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The current situation have found that mother tongue education in SA for all its learners is impractical and impossible.

The situation in many/most majority Afrikaans schools is this.
White Afrikaans ---> mother tongue tuition ----> everyone in the class benefits
White English and blacks in one class with ----> English tuition (guess who benefits)
You then have a problem with not enough blacks in a grade to justify another classroom +++ Where will we find another classroom anyway?

Universities might sit with a similar problem in terms of logistics.
To address the problem of mother tongue tuition in schools and universities, first look at what needs to be in place for it to be successful and work from there. Does the numbers justify mother tongue education?

And i have not even highlighted the fact of 11 official languages
 
Lager said:
The current situation have found that mother tongue education in SA for all its learners is impractical and impossible.

The situation in many/most majority Afrikaans schools is this.
White Afrikaans ---> mother tongue tuition ----> everyone in the class benefits
White English and blacks in one class with ----> English tuition (guess who benefits)
You then have a problem with not enough blacks in a grade to justify another classroom +++ Where will we find another classroom anyway?

Universities might sit with a similar problem in terms of logistics.
To address the problem of mother tongue tuition in schools and universities, first look at what needs to be in place for it to be successful and work from there. Does the numbers justify mother tongue education?

And i have not even highlighted the fact of 11 official languages
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I think that in South Africa ALL children should start school at age 4, the first two years should be to teach them one language and not be used for anything else.
Let's call it the national educational language.
The question is, which one?
 
AstroTurf said:
I think that in South Africa ALL children should start school at age 4, the first two years should be to teach them one language and not be used for anything else.
Let's call it the national educational language.
The question is, which one?
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shame, no play time? :p
English of course.
Spoke recently to an educational psychologist. She told me that English is the easiest language for educational purposes.
 
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