Reverse everything to do with apartheid: education MEC

Why would you homeschool them in Afrikaans if you plan to send them to study abroad?

Look, all my children are fluent in English. Probably better than I am.

That being said, we have two such schools that went double medium. Since they did this, the education department forced more children from previously disadvantaged areas into the school. In less than a year the schools (both) were forced to abandon Afrikaans. They now only teach English and there is a possibility that another African language may be taught next year to replace Afrikaans, but this is not yet confirmed.

So, considering their ages, I would prefer them going through school and being educated in their mother tongue. No matter how much this will cost me. They can do higher education abroad in English.
 
I think that in South Africa ALL children should start school at age 4, the first two years should be to teach them one language and not be used for anything else.
Let's call it the national educational language.
The question is, which one?

Terrible idea.
 
Terrible idea.

No, it is not a terrible idea, it is a f***ing horrible idea!

Why are we not allowed to have a very small Afrikaans speaking school? That is the question. The rest is BS.
 
What is your better proposal?

Build new schools and offer education to learners in their mother tongue. If you must have a small school with 200 children being educated in Sotho, so be it. Same, if you have a school with 1000 learners educated in Zulu, fine. Why force those people down into Afrikaans schools, and then force them to do away with their language?
 
Why not? Tell me what Mandela did for education? Mugabe performed better with less money.

OBE(outcomes-based education)

But, after 1994, to replace the damage from generations of inferior, unequal education, perhaps inevitably, the new government was drawn to new ideas. By the late 1990s, these efforts had coalesced into what came to be labelled as South Africa’s version of outcomes based education.

This rethink has come as passing rates nationally continued to fall over the past decade – from 60% on average nationally, to around 40% or worse in many township and rural schools. Moreover, despite the fact that South Africa dedicates a higher percentage of its national budget to education than most developing economies, student achievement in international comparisons in crucial areas such as mathematics and science has continued to deteriorate. These declines have been attributed to limited resources, a lack of libraries, laboratories, computer equipment and ineffective teaching from under-qualified teachers. Motshekga’s now effectively implicated OBE as a “co-conspirator” as well.

While the changes she announced quickly drew broad support and a sigh of relief, the opposition DA noted “this acknowledgment today comes too late for the thousands of students who suffered as a result of the implementation of OBE, as well as for those teachers who had unnecessary and unfair pressure placed on them by the system”. And the South African Democratic Teachers' Union, seen by many as a barrier to educational reform because of its politicisation of education, added its support for ministerial comments that re-emphasised the central importance of literacy, numeracy, the greater use of workbooks and standardised student assessments.

And so, the question is: Why did the South African government insist that an entire generation of children – the so-called “born frees” for whom the future was bright with possibility - would enter school, study for 12 years and graduate, all before it would finally decide on its U-turn on OBE? The answer is rather simple and contained in Jansen's prophetic paper. As it was always the case throughout history, political imperatives are never good for reality. What chance of our government ever realising that?

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...sed-education-and-dont-come-back#.ViYLm27SlzY
 
Why don't you f... off. Why should anybody learn Afrikaans to get school messages. What a c..nt.

Why don't you f... off. Why force his child into an Afrikaans school if he can't even read, speak or understand the language. Sending your child to school is not only about dropping them off and picking them up. He already ensured many, many dual medium schools. Why is the child not there?

I will tell you why. He knows that dual medium schools are not working. African children struggle even with English. Dual medium schools are busy failing, and while still there he hopes that his child will get better education in an Afrikaans school.

Fact is, we need better trained teachers who can teach in their own tongue. We need more schools where children can attend a school to get education in his own mother tongue. Only teachers qualified in a certain language should attend to these schools. This will be a step in the right direction.
 
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Yep, so move the Afrikaans kids to a smaller school or give them less of the schools resources. They are the minority and the amount of cash spent on them should reflect that.

That's the thing, how much cash comes from the government and how much from the parents directly? They will then try to steal the parents cash for these smaller great performing schools too by forcing learners in other languages onto them...
 
Build new schools and offer education to learners in their mother tongue. If you must have a small school with 200 children being educated in Sotho, so be it. Same, if you have a school with 1000 learners educated in Zulu, fine. Why force those people down into Afrikaans schools, and then force them to do away with their language?

Does not fix the biggest problem in our country.
Tribalism.
 
No, it is not a terrible idea, it is a f***ing horrible idea!

Why are we not allowed to have a very small Afrikaans speaking school? That is the question. The rest is BS.

who's we?
 
That's the thing, how much cash comes from the government and how much from the parents directly? They will then try to steal the parents cash for these smaller great performing schools too by forcing learners in other languages onto them...

At our school government only pays the salary of 8 teachers, 3 admin staff and 4 general workers. That being said, from school fees, 27 additional teachers appointed by the school body, 7 more administrative staff and 8 more general workers are paid. In addition, the department have withdrawn all other funding until such time the school goes dual medium and increase learner number from 28-32 per class to 48-55 per class. If you look at the small classes, this is laughable!
 
Build new schools and offer education to learners in their mother tongue. If you must have a small school with 200 children being educated in Sotho, so be it. Same, if you have a school with 1000 learners educated in Zulu, fine. Why force those people down into Afrikaans schools, and then force them to do away with their language?

You just have no idea what you're talking about do you?
 
http://www.fwdeklerk.org/index.php/en/latest/news/467-article-back-to-school-mr-deputy-president
In November 1983, the Government accepted most of the Commission’s recommendations. In terms of the National Policy for General Education Act (Act 76 of 1984), the Department of National Education was required to lay down a uniform education policy in respect of norms and standards for syllabuses, examinations, certification of qualifications, running and capital costs of facilities, and salaries and conditions of employment of teaching staff.

The approach was based on the following principles:

  • equal opportunities and standards for all, irrespective of race, colour or creed;
  • full recognition of the cultural diversity of the population and the common values shared by all;
  • a sound relationship between the needs of the individual, society in general and the economic development of the country;
  • state responsibility for formal education for all, with due regard to the wishes of individuals, parents and society;
  • shared responsibility between the state, and the private sector for non-formal education; and
  • state subsidies on an equal basis for private schools.

Policy was formulated in consultation with several advisory bodies and education departments. The advisory bodies included the South African Council for Education which was appointed in October 1985. It made provision for educationists from all population groups to take joint decisions on syllabuses, examinations, conditions of service for teachers; and financing policy in primary and secondary education.

This process led to some substantial reforms.

  • From 1 December 1986, all teachers at all schools, regardless of race, were paid the same salaries for the same qualifications. (For many years prior to December 1986 white and non-white university staff had been paid the same salaries and qualified for the same fringe benefits).
  • A 10-year programme was announced in April 1986 to upgrade education programmes and facilities, especially for blacks, Coloureds and Indians, which was budgeted to increase state expenditure on education from R6800 million a year to R10000 million. The programme was designed to improve the qualifications of teachers and the teacher-pupil ratios, and to accommodate the expected massive growth in the number of black pupils.
  • The Joint Matriculation Board laid down the same standards for matriculation or university entrance for all - although all education departments for all population groups had, in practice, already been using the same core syllabuses for the same subjects for many years.
  • Two certification councils were established to ensure the equal worth of certificates and diplomas issued by all schools and other educational institutions. One of these was the South African Certification Council, comprising educational experts from all population groups, which issued identical certificates of equal value to pupils of all population groups who passed a given grade or standard at school or technical college. In terms of the legislation all examining bodies had to comply with all the Council’s requirements for examinations for a particular certificate, apply the standards and norms laid down by the Council for these examinations, and introduce the subject matter that was prescribed by the Council for its certificates.
  • From the early 1980s, all residential universities originally established for whites had been enrolling students of all population groups. By 1987, 11 212 non-white students (3348 Coloured, 3593 Asian and 4271 black) were enrolled at these universities on a full-time or equivalent basis. This represented about 10% of the total. By 1993 they comprised more than 26 000 students, representing 22% of the total - including 34% at UCT and almost 50% at Natal.
  • A wide range of subjects and courses were offered at secondary schools - requiring at least six subjects in Std. 10, one of which had to be an official language (English or Afrikaans) and one the vernacular language of the pupil.
  • The syllabuses for Std. 6 to 8 were based on the core syllabuses approved by the Department of Education and Culture of the House of Assembly - which was responsible for white schools. The DEC’s syllabuses were used in Std. 9 and 10. Black matriculants sat for the examinations of the DEC (National Senior Certificate) or that of the Joint Matriculation Board. The core syllabuses were the same for all examining bodies - as was the standard of the Std. 10 examination for all departments.

All this led to substantial improvements in black education outcomes. In 1980 only 29 973 black scholars wrote matric - of whom 15 935 passed. This was, however, less than one-third of the 47 347 white scholars who passed matric in that year. However, in 1994, 410 784 black scholars wrote matric, of whom 201 284 passed. This was more than three times the 60 362 whites who passed matric the same year. By 1995 whites comprised only 37.5% of the students enrolled at our universities – compared with 50.2% for blacks, 5.8% for Coloureds and 6.5% for Indians.

It seems that the foundation was already there to bring every up to the same level. The ANC simply had to continue with the program, but it came from the Apartheid government, so it must be replaced ...
 
Does not fix the biggest problem in our country.
Tribalism.

That is why the education system is doomed to fail in SA. To many children in SA, English may even be a third language, to some it is not even a language and to most it is a second language. It is wrong to send these children from their homes to schools and refuse them education in their own mother tongue because they want to prevent tribalism.
 
That is why the education system is doomed to fail in SA. To many children in SA, English may even be a third language, to some it is not even a language and to most it is a second language. It is wrong to send these children from their homes to schools and refuse them education in their own mother tongue because they want to prevent tribalism.

As I said, Tribalism (all the Afrikaaners getting up in arms in this thread make a great example). I also never mentioned English as the primary language...
 
“We will regulate even the private schools. You can’t say you believe in non-racialism and reconciliation… but you are scared of Mandela’s children.”


Idiot

During apartheid private schools defied the laws and allowed black and white kids to learn together.

Now you want to regulate them ?
 
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