RICA kicks in properly

ok so they will cut say 2million or more people?
 
can anyone confirm whether or not this affects contract subscribers?
i've been getting a lot of conflicting information regarding this.
 
SlimJim said:
can anyone confirm whether or not this affects contract subscribers?
i've been getting a lot of conflicting information regarding this.
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I understand why they need the RICA process but I cant understand for the life of me why I would need to go in to a cellphone shop and repeat exactly what I did when I took out the contract.
If I upgrade then I don't have a problem.... but not in the middle of a contract !:mad:
 
Similar legislation apply in India as well. As tourists there, it was a mission to get a SIM card to stay in contact with travel mates and family. We provided them with the address of our hotel as proof of residence. I wonder if this will be acceptable in SA.
 
I'm going to the nearest village and paying the village chief R50 to write me a note saying he swears that I live under the R21 Freeway near the Nelmapius turnoff.
 
I bought an MTN starter pack and wasn't asked for anything, but when I tried using it it said I had to be RICA'd first. Is Vodacom the same?

The problem for me is my SA ID is lost and I'm still waiting for a replacement from home affairs. All I have is an old certified copy which I use - is this accepted for RICA? :erm:
 
I cannot the reason why so many people have a problem with this. Perhaps it will not be a roaring success, but having to register your simcard is hardly such a horrendous thing that is expected of prepaid customers.
 
Slootvreter said:
I cannot the reason why so many people have a problem with this. Perhaps it will not be a roaring success, but having to register your simcard is hardly such a horrendous thing that is expected of prepaid customers.
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Because:
- there is absolutely no reason that we should be forced to hand out our cell phone numbers to anybody. If they want to track the sim, we can give them the sim card number, which is not your cell phone number.
- there is nothing in the act that protects our information in this database of contact details, and there is no clarification regarding who gets access to that information, how and why.

Those 2 points alone should have you stopped dead in your tracks, identity theft is not a play play thing any more, it's real and thriving.
 
davemc said:
I am still waiting for somebody to tell me exactly what documentation the RICA Act specifies must be provided.
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definition of identification documents:
'identification document' means, in the case of a person—
(a) who is a South African citizen or is lawfully and permanently resident in the Republic—
(i) a green, bar-coded identity document issued in terms of section 8 of the Identification Act, 1986 (Act No. 72 of 1986), until such identity document is replaced by an identity card as contemplated in section 25 of the Identification Act;
(ii) an identity card issued in terms of section 14 of the Identification Act;
(iii) a temporary identity certificate issued in terms of section 16 of the Identification Act; or
(iv) a South African passport issued in terms of the South African Passports and Travel Documents Act, 1994 (Act No. 4 of 1994); or
(b) who is not a South African citizen or not permanently resident in the Republic, excluding a refugee, a valid passport or travel document as contemplated in paragraphs (b) and (c) of the definition of 'passport' in the Immigration Act, 2002 (Act No. 13 of 2002); or
(c) who is a refugee, a valid identity document issued in terms of section 30 of the Refugees Act, 1998 (Act No. 130 of 1998);

the above is used to verify name, identity number and identity. for address you can provide documentation, including a bank statement, a municipal rates and taxes invoice, telephone or cellular phone account of not older than three months, or any other utility bill or an account of a retailer of not older than three months, or an existing lease, rental or credit sale agreement, insurance policy, a current television licence or a new motor vehicle licence document;
 
davemc said:
Because:
- there is absolutely no reason that we should be forced to hand out our cell phone numbers to anybody. If they want to track the sim, we can give them the sim card number, which is not your cell phone number.
- there is nothing in the act that protects our information in this database of contact details, and there is no clarification regarding who gets access to that information, how and why.

Those 2 points alone should have you stopped dead in your tracks, identity theft is not a play play thing any more, it's real and thriving.
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Your bank, your gym, every store that you have an account with has all your details, what's wrong with your cellular provider having it.
 
Slootvreter said:
Your bank, your gym, every store that you have an account with has all your details, what's wrong with your cellular provider having it.
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Because I have a sim card that I use for banking that cannot possibly be traced to me.

This makes Identity theft more difficult, simply because the intercepted SMS cannot be linked back to me, therefore they cannot figure out who is getting paid Rnnnn.nn on a regular basis.

Remember that any wireless transmission can be picked up by a device and "listened in".

By associating the "over the air" available cell phone number with an ID Number and address (from the non-secure RICA database), the Identity thief has everything required to imitate you.

Not a situation I would encourage.

Then, if you throw your constitutional right to privacy at the RICA act, it crumbles into obscurity because the RICA act does not clearly specify who has access to the information, and why.
 
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Slootvreter said:
Your bank, your gym, every store that you have an account with has all your details, what's wrong with your cellular provider having it.
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I can go over to my Gym / store and take action against them if I discover that the details were leaked by them.

I cannot do anything about the information that was leaked from the RICA database because of the RICA act.

Also, remember that RICA also covers the ISP's, and you're going to be FORCED to hand out all kinds of information over to a person to claims to be an ISP, but could simply be a reseller happily gathering personal information to re-sell.

This is not the banking industry, where security is already part of the daily procedure, this is the world of the Internet and Wireless cell phones.
 
dominic said:
definition of identification documents:
'identification document' means, in the case of a person—
(a) who is a South African citizen or is lawfully and permanently resident in the Republic—
(i) a green, bar-coded identity document issued in terms of section 8 of the Identification Act, 1986 (Act No. 72 of 1986), until such identity document is replaced by an identity card as contemplated in section 25 of the Identification Act;
(ii) an identity card issued in terms of section 14 of the Identification Act;
(iii) a temporary identity certificate issued in terms of section 16 of the Identification Act; or
(iv) a South African passport issued in terms of the South African Passports and Travel Documents Act, 1994 (Act No. 4 of 1994); or
(b) who is not a South African citizen or not permanently resident in the Republic, excluding a refugee, a valid passport or travel document as contemplated in paragraphs (b) and (c) of the definition of 'passport' in the Immigration Act, 2002 (Act No. 13 of 2002); or
(c) who is a refugee, a valid identity document issued in terms of section 30 of the Refugees Act, 1998 (Act No. 130 of 1998);

the above is used to verify name, identity number and identity. for address you can provide documentation, including a bank statement, a municipal rates and taxes invoice, telephone or cellular phone account of not older than three months, or any other utility bill or an account of a retailer of not older than three months, or an existing lease, rental or credit sale agreement, insurance policy, a current television licence or a new motor vehicle licence document;
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Thank you Dom. Is this from the act?
Interesting how a TV license is proof of address.
 
dominic said:
definition of identification documents:
'identification document' means, in the case of a person—
(a) who is a South African citizen or is lawfully and permanently resident in the Republic—
(i) a green, bar-coded identity document issued in terms of section 8 of the Identification Act, 1986 (Act No. 72 of 1986), until such identity document is replaced by an identity card as contemplated in section 25 of the Identification Act;
(ii) an identity card issued in terms of section 14 of the Identification Act;
(iii) a temporary identity certificate issued in terms of section 16 of the Identification Act; or
(iv) a South African passport issued in terms of the South African Passports and Travel Documents Act, 1994 (Act No. 4 of 1994); or
(b) who is not a South African citizen or not permanently resident in the Republic, excluding a refugee, a valid passport or travel document as contemplated in paragraphs (b) and (c) of the definition of 'passport' in the Immigration Act, 2002 (Act No. 13 of 2002); or
(c) who is a refugee, a valid identity document issued in terms of section 30 of the Refugees Act, 1998 (Act No. 130 of 1998);

the above is used to verify name, identity number and identity. for address you can provide documentation, including a bank statement, a municipal rates and taxes invoice, telephone or cellular phone account of not older than three months, or any other utility bill or an account of a retailer of not older than three months, or an existing lease, rental or credit sale agreement, insurance policy, a current television licence or a new motor vehicle licence document;
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Thanks!

What if your telephone/cellphone bill only lists your postal address? Most of them do...
 
can anyone confirm whether or not this affects contract subscribers?
i've been getting a lot of conflicting information regarding this.
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This affects everyone contract, prepaid, new, existing, etc.
 
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