RIP Charlie Kirk

[Slckrck]

Making up terms like psychological violence is a one way street to barbarism. Your post is giving me psychological violence. Can I kill you now?

Making up terms.....okay get back to me when you're ready to be serious.

 

[RaptorSA]

@rietrot

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No way.

 

[Cray]

Post #146:

Doesn't sound like his death was being condoned, it did sound an awful lot like victim blaming. But the lionisation of him when he has said some pretty awful things in the past is not honest either.

 

[dontcryforme]

Charlie Kirk touched the lives of many, he will always be remembered.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965961757232361562

 

[Vorastra]

Doesn't sound like his death was being condoned, it did sound an awful lot like victim blaming. But the lionisation of him when he has said some pretty awful things in the past is not honest either.

MSNBC came the closest to basically saying "yeah it's his fault lmao, what did he expect", but other than that, yeah, I'm mostly just seeing retarded leftoids jumping for joy, not so much the news itself.

 

[Brawler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966051623454593104

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

It may be free speech, but celebrating the murder of anyone or supporting that celebration shows a rather disturbing aspect of an individual. Commenting on the murder factually and respectfully shows maturity and a capacity for empathy.

I have said it many times before. Being offended is just dependent on what side you on.
Many SA political leaders or their voters deaths have been celebrated here on MBB. Many Ukrainian soldiers deaths have been celebrated here on MBB. Many Russian soldiers death have been celebrated here on MBB.
The people being offended by these celebrations, are just offended when its someone on their side that died, not on the other side.
They are sick on both sides of the fence.

 

[Cray]

MSNBC came the closest to basically saying "yeah it's his fault lmao, what did he expect".

That's pretty awful.

 

[HumanShield]

Have a question, since you're categorising this as a leftie/rightie dichotomy.....what if Hillary Clinton was shot live on air....what would your genuine initial response be?

does it matter? Someone was assassinated in front of a crowd of people. there's no scale if one is worse than the other

 

[Mariner]

I don't know celebrating murder or death of someone you find disagreeable is normal....I'm sure the celebratory mood when Hitler was found dead wasn't showing disturbing traits in the individual. When Bin Laden was killed, a vast majority of the US populace celebrated, that didn't make them psychopaths or devoid of morals.

Comparing Hitler, Bin Laden and elsewhere in this thread, Putin, with Charlie Kirk is a big stretch of the imagination. It needs a massive dose of false equivalence.

 

[Slckrck]

Lol wtf? Those people were legitimate genocidal maniacs, there is quite a difference.

In your opinion.....not to Kirk's enemies.

I've spoken to many completely bonkers right wingers over the years and they don't see the difference between Obama and Osama.

The point is you can't demand someone see things your way or expect facts to overule their feelings. Kirk's killer is Hussein's killers, same mindset.

 

[Slckrck]

does it matter? Someone was assassinated in front of a crowd of people. there's no scale if one is worse than the other

No scale correct, however levity yes. Rational response depends on objectivity, being outraged at one scenario but not the other is irrational.

 

[Unhappy1]

In your opinion.....not to Kirk's enemies.

I've spoken to many completely bonkers right wingers over the years and they don't see the difference between Obama and Osama.

The point is you can't demand someone see things your way or expect facts to overule their feelings. Kirk's killer is Hussein's killers, same mindset.

So why make an argument for people who you freely admit aren't making fact based arguments. Bizarre.

 

[konfab]

In your opinion.....not to Kirk's enemies.

There are glaring differences, that are objective. Saddam ordered the murder of people, directly. Kirk did not.
Abandoning that objectivity is abandoning reason.

I've spoken to many completely bonkers right wingers over the years and they don't see the difference between Obama and Osama.

Both of them are Muslims /s

The point is you can't demand someone see things your way or expect facts to overule their feelings. Kirk's killer is Hussein's killers, same mindset.

If reason and debate were not effective, Kirk wouldn't have been assassinated. He was killed because he was effective, and he did convince people they were wrong.


If your whole arguement here is to abandon reason, then why are you even trying to make a point here.

 

[Sensorei]

So you want a authoritarian response to this.... And when the lefties regain power in the US (and they will).....do you expect them to do the same?

The left has to face a similar situation because they let Obama get away with too much Executive Order power grabs and now want to complain when Trump uses those EO powers.

Do not fall for short term solutions, when it only harms you in the long term.

You said authoritarian, not me. Why shouldn't there be zero tolerance to violence? Why should they let Lefty judges allow violent criminals back on the streets without bail?

You seem to have forgotten that Trump has been doing exactly the points that he campaigned on, and the overwhelming majority voted for that - drastic change. Most Americans want these executive orders signed.

 

[Hamster]

Are you one of those people who refuse to wait for a funeral cortege to pass because your time is more important than a mark of respect for the dead?

This is stupid. If you don't want to deal with a differing view you can simply refuse to respond as opposed to making cheap accusations.

Besides, I use public transport, so not applicable.

That honesty is a rather disturbing indicator of the norms of our society. Are you accusing me of faking sincerity?

Does it really matter? I don't want to cause you sleepless nights...


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Yes

 

[Decarin]

You're missing the point. Kirk and his utterances enviked the same feeling to his enemies as Hussein did to his. You just agreed more with Kirk than Saddam.

I disagree that Kirk didn't practice violence, violence comes in all forms, and othering people on a subjective bases is a form of violence, not physical but psychological. In the same way can condemn the radio DJ who dehuminized and incited the mob to kill in the Rwandan genocide as violent even though he "only used words".

We can't absolve people from any action after they died, it does them a disservice.....what we Should be debating is that having disagreeable opinions should not be fatal. That's what this situation calls for.

Charlie Kirk cannot be equated to Hitler.
He was no authoritarian ruler.
He did not order the deaths of millions of people

You can disagree with his views, sure. But being happy he died? No, that can only be a tragic loss.
People actually appreciated his willingness to reach accross the political divide. That's rare on both sides.

The man was only 31 with a young wife and two very young children. A person would have to be incredibly callous to celebrate his passing.

 

[Mariner]

I disagree that Kirk didn't practice violence, violence comes in all forms, and othering people on a subjective bases is a form of violence.

Beating people in a debate using logic, facts and critical thinking is violent?

Our education systems need a reboot; instead of teaching students what to think, we should teach them how to think. Which is what Kirk did, and those taught what to think would kill for being proven wrong. It seems to cause physical pain when you realise what you have learned is not logical or factual.

 

[ISP cash cow]

interesting this happens on Sept 11.

It didn't happen on Sept 11.

Its sept 11 here in South Africa now, He got shot last night in USA (Sept 10th)

 

[Mariner]

Honestly, unless you personally knew the guy, the idea of waiting a few hours or days before discussing his views seems a bit odd.

A funeral cortege is the line of cars behind the hearse with their lights on. Respect means you didn't try to push through the mourners and let them pass before proceeding, even if you had the right of way. It took maybe 5 minutes of your time.

Have we become so callous as a society?