RiSa and torrent website truce?

reech said:
What a load of BS. Really.
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It is? How is it not pirate-centric? Those are the first places I would go if I wanted warez or pirated software with local bandwidth only.
I doubt people go on there to get local seeding of linux distributions.

As long as no one starts a web-site where burglars can find local places to break into to and kill people... I'm fine.
 
_TrXtR_ said:
It is? How is it not pirate-centric? Those are the first places I would go if I wanted warez or pirated software with local bandwidth only.
I doubt people go on there to get local seeding of linux distributions.

As long as no one starts a web-site where burglars can find local places to break into to and kill people... I'm fine.
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Then why don't they go after Google as well? Google also links to torrents...

http://www.google.co.za/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&q=lucky+dube+torrent&btnG=Search&meta=

The point is that the BitFarm site does not actually host any content. That contest is hosted elsewhere.

You don't understand the fine point of what this is all about.
 
Garyvdh said:
Then why don't they go after Google as well? Google also links to torrents...

http://www.google.co.za/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&q=lucky+dube+torrent&btnG=Search&meta=

The point is that the BitFarm site does not actually host any content. That contest is hosted elsewhere.

You don't understand the fine point of what this is all about.
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You missed the point. Maybe you should read what I said and not what you think.

Someone said those site's are not pirate-centric. I'm saying they are.
The sole reason for their existence is to help people pirate 'stuff' locally.
Google's sole reason for existence is definitely not to help people get hold of pirate software.

I'm on the side of bitfarm and their buddies. I also know the files are not hosed on their servers. You should avoid trying to think for me.
Youre not doing it very well yourself, and I'd like to retain my rights to that thanx ;)
 
_TrXtR_ said:
You missed the point. Maybe you should read what I said and not what you think.

Someone said those site's are not pirate-centric. I'm saying they are.
The sole reason for their existence is to help people pirate 'stuff' locally.
Google's sole reason for existence is definitely not to help people get hold of pirate software.

I'm on the side of bitfarm and their buddies. I also know the files are not hosed on their servers. You should avoid trying to think for me.
Youre not doing it very well yourself, and I'd like to retain my rights to that thanx ;)
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I read your post just fine.... and I completely understand where you missed the point. But for your benefit, let's take a few steps back...

This is a pirate.

This is piracy.

What BitFarm is doing is indexing Torrents. Same as Google, same as other Torrent indexes. There is nothing illegal about indexing Torrents.

What the users upload is their business. It is not up to BitFarm to police the alleged copyright violations that are taking place there, especially when any alleged "copyright violation" has never even been established in a court of law.

There is no "piracy-centric" activity, there are no warez or whatever on the site. And you saying that it is, is definitely not being their friend.

Go and read up on your legal definitions and what Mr. Buys has stated about the legality of the site before you answer.
 
crbuys said:
We are in the process of preparing a draft memo of understanding for RiSA's consideration and I can assure everybody that we will NEVER agree to the disclosure of user data in return for something like immunity.

The sites did not infringe copyright or acted illegally and therefore no deal for immunity is necessary. We are negotiating a settlement from a position of power and recent developments in other countries only strengthen our position.
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This is good news. Will the MoU be available publicly?
 
PIRACY AND INFRINGEMENT

Hi all,

Consider this analogy... most university libraries maintain a so-called reserved rack where they store those books / papers copied most by students. In order to help students navigate the reserved rack, the libraries index and list all the titles... directing the student to book he / she needs to copy.

Is the library infringing copyright by indexing and listing the titles in the reserved rack?

PLEASE!

Same with torrent sites. Infringing copyright and merely pointing to it is two very different things. The one legal, the other one not.

Simple as that.

REINHARDT BUYS
 
crbuys said:
Hi all,

Consider this analogy... most university libraries maintain a so-called reserved rack where they store those books / papers copied most by students. In order to help students navigate the reserved rack, the libraries index and list all the titles... directing the student to book he / she needs to copy.

Is the library infringing copyright by indexing and listing the titles in the reserved rack?

PLEASE!

Same with torrent sites. Infringing copyright and merely pointing to it is two very different things. The one legal, the other one not.

Simple as that.

REINHARDT BUYS
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+1
 
+2 Considering I haven't said anything different than that *doh*
 
/lol

thats all i got to say to this matter, there are faster ways then P2P to get stuff and the scene will never stop, they have more security then the pentagon
 
Well . . . The farmers were "advertising" openly . . . It was bound to happen some day :P
 
1nsane! said:
Well . . . The farmers were "advertising" openly . . . It was bound to happen some day :P
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Actually, they were trying very much to mind their own business, they didn't like anyone pointing at them. You can verify that here on this board. But they are not to blame.

RISA's business model is collapsing and they are looking for someone to blame. They would do better to get online and promote their business and artists to the very people who are most likely to buy their client's music. But instead they chose to P*$$ them off by accusing them of wrongdoing and taking down their meeting place.

Look at it this way...

a crowd of people are standing in a market place listening to music on their iPods and cellphones. They are discussing the latest bands and hip music. Some of them are swapping the tracks they like by bluetooth on their cellphones. Somebody makes a list of who has which music on which cellphone.

Now RISA have a shop where they sell music... but it is outside of town on an old abandoned road that nobody uses anymore. RISA sells the music on old cassette tapes... but if you want one track you have to buy the entire cassette tape for R120.00.

RISA are upset that all these people in the market place are exchanging the music they love and not paying for it. so instead of opening up a store on the marketplace and selling individual tracks of their music (also via bluetooth), they find the owner of the marketplace and pressure him to shut down the marketplace. They also sieze the written list of music as evidence of wrongdoing and threaten to sue the inventors of the bluetooth technology for allowing "piracy".

You see how ludicrous this is?

They lost the advantage... and now they are just trying to sue anyone and anything to stop their loss of sales.

When the simplest thing in the world would have been to get online and just sell their music.
 
A perfect argument - but it won't make an iota of difference to RISA.

One may as well tell the flat earth society to accept that the world is round.
 
Garyvdh said:
Actually, they were trying very much to mind their own business, they didn't like anyone pointing at them. You can verify that here on this board. But they are not to blame.

RISA's business model is collapsing and they are looking for someone to blame. They would do better to get online and promote their business and artists to the very people who are most likely to buy their client's music. But instead they chose to P*$$ them off by accusing them of wrongdoing and taking down their meeting place.

Look at it this way...

a crowd of people are standing in a market place listening to music on their iPods and cellphones. They are discussing the latest bands and hip music. Some of them are swapping the tracks they like by bluetooth on their cellphones. Somebody makes a list of who has which music on which cellphone.

Now RISA have a shop where they sell music... but it is outside of town on an old abandoned road that nobody uses anymore. RISA sells the music on old cassette tapes... but if you want one track you have to buy the entire cassette tape for R120.00.

RISA are upset that all these people in the market place are exchanging the music they love and not paying for it. so instead of opening up a store on the marketplace and selling individual tracks of their music (also via bluetooth), they find the owner of the marketplace and pressure him to shut down the marketplace. They also sieze the written list of music as evidence of wrongdoing and threaten to sue the inventors of the bluetooth technology for allowing "piracy".

You see how ludicrous this is?

They lost the advantage... and now they are just trying to sue anyone and anything to stop their loss of sales.

When the simplest thing in the world would have been to get online and just sell their music.
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This is undoubtedly one of the most poignant analogies of Analogue vs Digital paradigms clashing in modern times. There should be posters of these words in every boardroom in the world (both the producers and their muscle (RiSA)).

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they not doing anything illegal, you the person downloading the p2p stuff is doing the illegal thing?
 
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