Rooney Is A Cheat!

Erm guys you missing the point... Alumina was about 1/2 step away yet he was flying in hands first legs in the air "diving" at Rooney, he completely missed the ball and took rooney down, yes rooney's left leg suggested he was going down but come on at 1/2 step away with the keeper flying in who wouldn't be asking the question is he going to take me out or is he going to get to the ball that is in the air... clear cut penalty.

As for the match against Slovenia Rooney was down bitching about foul... ref gave it, it was a give away penalty he didn't dive he stopped and dropped and moaned. look at Ronaldo if that was ronaldo that wouldn't have been given.
 
Put it like this. If Almunia missed Rooney all together, he would not have scored.

By the time Almnunia made contact, the ball was in the stands already.

Dont you guys watch the replays?
 
The penalty against Arsenal was a penalty. Whether Rooney dived or not is hard to tell, I will have to have a look at it again.

The penalty against Slovenia was not a penalty. Rooney didn't dive nor was he appealing for a penalty. He seemed upset that the ref gave a foul against him only to be surprised it was a penalty. He could of said to the ref that it was not a penalty. Remember Fowler against Arsenal many years ago.
 
Cantera said:
I understand what you are trying to say but i still disagree.

reason being, Rooney went down in a diving motion before any contact was made. The same motion Eduardo went down when he dived.

I wished you watch that episode of ESPN Press pass - i dont know if you watch the programme. They slowed the incident down frame for frame, clearly showing Rooney throwing his body off the ground and clearly showing Almunia not even CLOSE to him.

That for me is decieving the ref and he should be booked for diving.
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For your information I did watch the show. Yes rooney was looking for the penalty and had the keeper not taken him out he should get a yellow for diving. Facts are the keeper took him out before he hit the ground so its a penalty and not a dive.
 
stefan9 said:
For your information I did watch the show. Yes rooney was looking for the penalty and had the keeper not taken him out he should get a yellow for diving. Facts are the keeper took him out before he hit the ground so its a penalty and not a dive.
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Exactly. Rooney might have been going down (in anticipation of Alumunia) coming out to tackle him) but Almunia took him out took him out before he hit the ground (if infact he was going to hit the ground). If Almunia was innocent (or had better sense) he wouldn't of collided with Rooney (And if Rooney was infact diving, then he would of went to ground without Almunia's help constituting a dive).

Fact is Almunia took him out = penalty:cool:
 
stefan9 said:
For your information I did watch the show. Yes rooney was looking for the penalty and had the keeper not taken him out he should get a yellow for diving. Facts are the keeper took him out before he hit the ground so its a penalty and not a dive.
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By the time Alminia banged into Rooney, the ball was already in the stands and out of play.

1st rule of a penalty is, Would the player have scored had he not been fouled?

In this case, Rooney would not have scored due to the ball being in the stands. Based on that, you cannot award a penalty.



Not a penalty. Guess we going to have to agree to disagree.
 
Cantera said:
By the time Alminia banged into Rooney, the ball was already in the stands and out of play.

1st rule of a penalty is, Would the player have scored had he not been fouled?

In this case, Rooney would not have scored due to the ball being in the stands. Based on that, you cannot award a penalty.



Not a penalty. Guess we going to have to agree to disagree.
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I have seen players go with the ball in the opposite direction of the goal when they tackled in the penalty area and a penalty is awarded. :erm:

Is a penalty not rewarded for a foul in the penalty box (regardless of whether that player would have scored or not):confused::confused::confused:
 
If a foul is commited and the ball is out of play, a penalty cannot be awarded.
 
Cantera said:
By the time Alminia banged into Rooney, the ball was already in the stands and out of play.

1st rule of a penalty is, Would the player have scored had he not been fouled?

In this case, Rooney would not have scored due to the ball being in the stands. Based on that, you cannot award a penalty.



Not a penalty. Guess we going to have to agree to disagree.
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Look Cantera, it was a penalty. If you want to argue whether it was a dive or not then you might be onto something. Either way it was a penalty.

The bold bit is not true. A penalty is if someone is fouled in the box which Rooney was even though he didn't have the ball. Same applies outside the box when it is a normal foul.

The rule you are applying here is whether to give the offender a red card. If he was not fouled, would he have scored? The answer is no hence Almunia didn't pick up a red card. The penalty still stands.
 
Cantera said:
If a foul is commited and the ball is out of play, a penalty cannot be awarded.
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Disagree. Show us proof of this rule.

Edit: forget what I said, just seen you said the ball was out of play when the foul is committed. Is this the case?
 
By the time Alminia banged into Rooney, the ball was already in the stands and out of play.
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eh? what you smoking? At the time Alumina hit Rooney the ball was in the air and look again at the clip where was the ball???

Post #23... ball was still in air no in stand where keeper was IN rooney
 
poolmania said:
Disagree. Show us proof of this rule.

Edit: forget what I said, just seen you said the ball was out of play when the foul is committed. Is this the case?
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I know the rules of the game mate!

The ball was out of play by the time Almunia crashed into him! Rooney dived to decieve the ref. If an entire panel of journo's showing SLOW MOTION replays frame for frame to aid their arguement can all agree without a doubt that Rooney dived - which they did. They showed how he went down before ANY contact was made, by that time he had lost complete control of the ball!

Watching it, made me believe he dived. Watching the game LIVE, i had no idea and could not say if he dived or not.

How can that be a penalty?

@ fishfly - seen it tons of times on ESPN soccernet PressPass.
 
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If a foul is commited and the ball is out of play, a penalty cannot be awarded.
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the second the ball was played wtf was Alumina doing?

rewatched that clip and you'll know you just stiring up a argument that you cannot win ;)

Also to take it further look at where the ref was positioned... right be the action, yes the second Alumina went in with a dive like that any striker will make the most opportunity to claim for a penalty. the Keeper was far from the ball but he went in. Knowing well enough if he doesn't make ANY contact with the ball he's gonna give away a penalty. simply put the Keeper made the mistake and paid the price
 
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Whatever!

Rooney Dived. It was proved on television. Thats the end of the story.
 
Yes, i can see how it can be incorrect.

Its very vague and not entirely correct. Was merely typing a scenario to make a point.
 
Rooney Dived. It was proved on television. Thats the end of the story.
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proved on TV... there are a million and one proofs after the match but with out the use of technology Diving/incorrect decision will never be spotted
 
I agree. As i said in my previous post, i would never have said that it was a dive from Rooney.

As they slowed it down on TV, one could clearly see that he dived before any impact was made.
 
Cantera said:
Yes, i can see how it can be incorrect.

Its very vague and not entirely correct. Was merely typing a scenario to make a point.
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Ok, at least you know it is incorrect.

Any foul in the box that is deemed illegal whether the player was in a scoring position or not is a penalty.

Almunia fouled Rooney. It is a penalty.
 
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