SA COTY 2014 Winner

[Joker]

Having groups would be great. Group A) less than 100k, Group B) 100-200, C) 300-400 etc.. (including extras!)

Then we could actually use COTY results to help select something considered 'best in range' for your budget.

 

[HapticSimian]

Then divide this stupid competition into two groups:

GROUP A
Cars that 99.9876% of us can only dream of

GROUP B
Cars that we can afford even if we don't have tenders with the ANC

In that case the Porsche would be a great CotY in Group A, and we can then look at what is decent for the rest of us to buy, from the winner of Group B.

Yeah... no. I understand why people are in a tizz over Porsche winning... again... but I think much of that is rooted in people being out of touch with what new cars cost, which is of course an issue affecting the entire market. The Porsche is R706k; in that same kind of ballpark you have the Audi S4; the Q5 3.0TDI; the Chrysler Grand Voyager; the Jag XF; the Land Rover Disco; the Lexus GS 350; the Merc E250 cabrio; the Nissan 370Z and Pathfinder; the VeeDub Caravelle; The Volvo XC60 and XC90... to name a few. Should none of these be eligible, ever?

Agreed, surely the price should be one of the larger comparison factors.

I have never driven the Caymen or any Porsche for that matter and am sure its a brilliant car, but I'm sure there is a car somewhere out there that is better than it in many ways, and I highly doubt the Caymen is the best all rounder so it seems this is a bit biast towards a certain aspect such as track ability

Being the best all-rounder isn't the criterion; if it were the Golf GTI would've been winning for decades.

 

[Fazda]

Having groups would be great. Group A) less than 100k, Group B) 100-200, C) 300-400 etc.. (including extras!)

Then we could use COTY results as actual advice to select something considered 'best in range' for your budget.

Excellent idea!

 

[Fazda]

Yeah... no. I understand why people are in a tizz over Porsche winning... again... but I think much of that is rooted in people being out of touch with what new cars cost, which is of course an issue affecting the entire market. The Porsche is R706k; in that same kind of ballpark you have the Audi S4; the Q5 3.0TDI; the Chrysler Grand Voyager; the Jag XF; the Land Rover Disco; the Lexus GS 350; the Merc E250 cabrio; the Nissan 370Z and Pathfinder; the VeeDub Caravelle; The Volvo XC60 and XC90... to name a few. Should none of these be eligible, ever?

Yup as I said all the cars that are affordable to tenderpreneurs!!

 

[M3mPh1z]

I don't think price groups would work, I would rather group per segment, small econo-car, luxury car etc, but then consider the price amongst other things when comparing.

Also, you can still get a new car for under R100 000?

 

[HapticSimian]

Having groups would be great. Group A) less than 100k, Group B) 100-200, C) 300-400 etc.. (including extras!)

Then we could actually use COTY results to help select something considered 'best in range' for your budget.

Excellent idea!

Which is why CAR Magazine, back in the day, distanced itself from the SA COTY and started with their annual top-12 issue where they pick the top contender in each of 12 segments. But that, to my mind, isn't in the spirit of a COTY award where relative excellence should be recognised. I mean... the 1991 Opel Monza 1.6 GSI COTY is a hell of a bar to be measured against.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Then divide this stupid competition into two groups:

GROUP A
Cars that 99.9876% of us can only dream of

GROUP B
Cars that we can afford even if we don't have tenders with the ANC

In that case the Porsche would be a great CotY in Group A, and we can then look at what is decent for the rest of us to buy, from the winner of Group B.

I wonder why affordability has dropped so far down the scale that it appears to be a negligible factor when selecting a winner?

 

[Fazda]

I don't think price groups would work, I would rather group per segment, small econo-car, luxury car etc, but then consider the price amongst other things when comparing.

Also, you can still get a new car for under R100 000?

Maybe some piece of Chinese scrap, which is all rather depressing!

 

[Fazda]

I wonder why affordability has dropped so far down the scale that it appears to be a negligible factor when selecting a winner?

I think that the average SA Motoring Journo is so used to driving cars in the 700 to 1.5 million bracket, that they forget that some of us actually live on a budget.

I really doubt if affordability is even vaguely considered.

 

[Quantum Theory]

I don't understand why the V40 is second from last. I know Volvo depreciate badly, but that V40 is an epic car in my books.

 

[Joker]

I don't think price groups would work, I would rather group per segment, small econo-car, luxury car etc, but then consider the price amongst other things when comparing.

True, something like Carbuyers grouping would be great.

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/recommended

 

[Maverick Jester]

I think that the average SA Motoring Journo is so used to driving cars in the 700 to 1.5 million bracket, that they forget that some of us actually live on a budget.

I really doubt if affordability is even vaguely considered.

Or maybe it is what HapticSimian pointed out- the cost of vehicles nowadays is simply ridiculous. A VW Caravelle costs R680k without any options tacked onto it... :wtf:

 

[Fazda]

Or maybe it is what HapticSimian pointed out- the cost of vehicles nowadays is simply ridiculous. A VW Caravelle costs R680k without any options tacked onto it... :wtf:

Oh I agree - all the more reason to group cars into affordable through to telephone number status.

 

[Quantum Theory]

I don't understand why the V40 is second from last. I know Volvo depreciate badly, but that V40 is an epic car in my books.

Seems I'm not the only one... From Wheels24:

However, Wheels24 readers have been voting on the website and their votes were rather interesting with the Volvo V40 being the clear winner with 4563 votes (31%).

Here are the rest, according to Wheels24 readers in descending order:
Lexus IS 350 F-Sport 16% - 2418 votes
Volkswagen Golf 7 1.4 TSI 90kW Comfortline DSG 14% - 2017 votes
Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG 11% - 1666 votes
Jaguar F-Type 3.0 V6 S 8% - 1192 votes
Renault Clio4 66kW Turbo Dynamique 6% - 886 votes
Audi A3 Sportback 1.4T FSI Manual 5% - 809 votes
Peugeot 208 GTI 5% - 712 votes
Porsche Cayman S 4% - 591 votes

 

[Maverick Jester]

Oh I agree - all the more reason to group cars into affordable through to telephone number status.

That would be most cars, though. Or rather, most cars worthy of consideration. Would be interesting to see the average price per finalist.

 

[texo]

I don't understand why the V40 is second from last. I know Volvo depreciate badly, but that V40 is an epic car in my books.

I got mine a few months ago (T5 R-Design) and she really is an epic piece of machinery!

 

[Quantum Theory]

I got mine a few months ago (T5 R-Design) and she really is an epic piece of machinery!

Nice! Need the D4 Cross Country in my life

 

[satanboy]

The full 2014 WesBank/SAGMJ Car of the Year results:

1. Porsche Cayman S - 199 points
2. Volkswagen Golf 7 1.4 TSI 90kW Comfortline DSG - 192
3. Audi A3 Sportback 1.4T FSI Manual - 168
4. Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG - 143
5. Jaguar F-TYPE 3.0 V6 S - 136
6. Renault Clio 4 66kW Turbo Dynamique - 133
7. Lexus IS 350 F-Sport - 123
8. Volvo V40 D3 Geartronic Excel - 106
9. Peugeot 208 GTi - 100

http://motoring.iafrica.com/newsbriefs/903883.html

 

[Fazda]

Stupid! It should go to the Golf FFS!

 

[Quantum Theory]

Stupid! It should go to the Golf FFS!

Volvo...