SA lifts moratorium on fracking

I hope that those who are opposed to Fracking will continue the fight and put our money where our mouths are. Blockades anyone?
 
This word, fracking, is it just me or does it sounds like a sexual position?
 
abandonallhope said:
I can't remember who it was, but I got this link in one of these bleeding heart threads here. Please read it :

http://dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2012-03-12-rolling-stone-reprises-gaslands-fracking-fantasies
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Very good article. Although he makes the point that it's pretty safe, I think of the dangers of pollution, from "accidents", related to the oil industry. From the article:

Despite this litany of lies, those who fear shale gas drilling would have you believe Gasland is worth watching because it demonstrates the imminent destruction of the Karoo. They are either gullible or dishonest.
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Since I considered Gasland a film worth referring to, I remember that old saying of a girlfriend, when she was being told something she considered a lie.

"I used to be young and gullible...Now I'm just gullible..." :D
 
evilstebunny said:
So has the studies been done, and done properly?

The ANC government obviously cannot be trusted where money is involved, so I can't help but wonder who got paid kickbacks for this decision.
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Shell covers it up with preloaded statements of there is "no documented cases" bla bla bla

If you can't watch it all
Shells SA chairman spouting the same statement - see 11.20
Then watch 13.20 to 16.28

Reason there is "no documented cases" is because where they have had issues they silence it with non disclosure deals

[video=youtube_share;IPIEzSwPwT0]http://youtu.be/IPIEzSwPwT0[/video]
 
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Nerfherder said:
Fracking will enable us to be less reliant on oil.
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In which fantasy land do you live in? Cause I'd like to join you

Even if we find oil in South Africa, the government will want to export it and still charge us the world per barrel price for oil.

They can, at anytime, give us at least a R4 relief on the petrol price with all their levies/taxes and RAF contributions on there. If it was actually used for the roads (like it was supposed to), then we wouldn't have the looming tollgate saga over our heads. They improved the roads for 2010 or whatever? Awesome. My tax money AND the fuel levies PAID for that.

Now they want to add toll's on that to recoup money? Er no. They just fleecing the public and they bet their retirement fund on it so now it HAS to work. And the profits from that will never see the light of day and our roads would (again) just deteriate more and more.

So keeping that in mind: what on earth do you think is going to happen with the fracking? The same old "i grease your palm you grease mine and we both profit from it" and it helps ****all to bridge the divide between rich and poor they bitch and moan so much about! *MAYBE* it creates some jobs, but other than that, international corporations will benefit, not us. The only people benefiting is the ones who allow them to do this.
 
Nerfherder said:
Whatever guys.

I suppose you are the authority ?

Its pretty simple, if you are on the same side as greenpeace then you are on the side of ignoramuses.
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My question is who managed how to pull the wool over their eyes ?

It's unreal
 
if you are on the same side as greenpeace then you are on the side of ignoramuses.
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According to whom ?

Two questions -

1) Will they reveal full and independently assessed details of the chemicals they will pump into the earth.

2) Will they guarantee 100% that there will be no pollution of the water table - with say a $10 billion penalty if there is.

If they are so certain of our future water purity I see no reason why they cannot comply with these two.
 
daveza said:
According to whom ?

Two questions -

1) Will they reveal full and independently assessed details of the chemicals they will pump into the earth.

2) Will they guarantee 100% that there will be no pollution of the water table - with say a $10 billion penalty if there is.

If they are so certain of our future water purity I see no reason why they cannot comply with these two.
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According to pretty much everyone. They are terrorists.

As for your questions, like with every other mining endeavor there are procedures.
 
Nerfherder said:
Its pretty simple, if you are on the same side as greenpeace then you are on the side of ignoramuses.

And no, i'm not on the side of the government. I'm on the side of progress.
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Do you disagree with what I have said?
 
daveza said:
1) Will they reveal full and independently assessed details of the chemicals they will pump into the earth.
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Yes

2) Will they guarantee 100% that there will be no pollution of the water table - with say a $10 billion penalty if there is.
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Don't know, but that's a bit unfair if this is not imposed on every other mining practice ?
 
Nerfherder said:
Whatever guys.

I suppose you are the authority ?

Its pretty simple, if you are on the same side as greenpeace then you are on the side of ignoramuses.

And no, i'm not on the side of the government. I'm on the side of progress.
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Do tell me how fracking operate.

I believe it is by injecting chemicals and the such deep into the earth in order to release gas/oil.

Now what do happen to those chemicals they injected? Will it just go away, or what?
 
AcidRaZor said:
In which fantasy land do you live in? Cause I'd like to join you

Even if we find oil in South Africa, the government will want to export it and still charge us the world per barrel price for oil.

They can, at anytime, give us at least a R4 relief on the petrol price with all their levies/taxes and RAF contributions on there. If it was actually used for the roads (like it was supposed to), then we wouldn't have the looming tollgate saga over our heads. They improved the roads for 2010 or whatever? Awesome. My tax money AND the fuel levies PAID for that.

Now they want to add toll's on that to recoup money? Er no. They just fleecing the public and they bet their retirement fund on it so now it HAS to work. And the profits from that will never see the light of day and our roads would (again) just deteriate more and more.

So keeping that in mind: what on earth do you think is going to happen with the fracking? The same old "i grease your palm you grease mine and we both profit from it" and it helps ****all to bridge the divide between rich and poor they bitch and moan so much about! *MAYBE* it creates some jobs, but other than that, international corporations will benefit, not us. The only people benefiting is the ones who allow them to do this.
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Assumptions: U + me
 
The_Librarian said:
Do tell me how fracking operate.

I believe it is by injecting chemicals and the such deep into the earth in order to release gas/oil.

Now what do happen to those chemicals they injected? Will it just go away, or what?
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Generally it's mostly water they inject...
 
Originally Posted by daveza
1) Will they reveal full and independently assessed details of the chemicals they will pump into the earth.
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Yes
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Source ?

As for Greenpeace being terrorists, that's an opinion.

Eco-warriors is another opinion.

How many people have the Greenpeace terrorists killed ?
 
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