SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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TheChamp said:
The reason Cyril takes longer to make decisions is because all of his decisions are carefully considered, that's why Whitfield was also not fired on the spot but Cyril took time to apply his mind before firing him.

But of course, I do welcome the DA going to court to challenge his decision, they will be left with egg all over their face.
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The DA will lose the court case as it would be judicial overreach to make him reconsider. He's given a reason even though he's apparently allowed to hire and fire on a whim. The reason is a BS facade, everyone sees through that. His procrastination and indecision aren't a sign of well considered decision making either.
 
TheChamp said:
The reason Cyril takes longer to make decisions is because all of his decisions are carefully considered, that's why Whitfield was also not fired on the spot but Cyril took time to apply his mind before firing him.

But of course, I do welcome the DA going to court to challenge his decision, they will be left with egg all over their face.
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Interesting, we all thought Cyril took too long to make any decisions because he wants a committee/lekgotla/workstream to make the decision for him cos he's too chicken shyte to do it himself.

And it will be interesting if this goes to court as there is a not-insignificant chance that Cyril erred legally here given certain things that are in the public domain thanks to stupid ANC members. Does it mean the DA will win, no not necessarily but it also doesn't mean Cyril will win either.
 
R13... said:
The DA will lose the court case as it would be judicial overreach to make him reconsider. He's given a reason even though he's apparently allowed to hire and fire on a whim. The reason is a BS facade, everyone sees through that. His procrastination and indecision aren't a sign of well considered decision making either.
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There is a very good reason no one fired by Cyril has ever gone to court and successfully challenged their dismissal, political appointments or non political like Mkhwebane, Moyane etc, it's not luck.
 
R13... said:
The DA will lose the court case as it would be judicial overreach to make him reconsider. He's given a reason even though he's apparently allowed to hire and fire on a whim. The reason is a BS facade, everyone sees through that. His procrastination and indecision aren't a sign of well considered decision making either.
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No it actually wouldn't be if the decision was irrational etc.

If everyone can see that the reason is a BS facade then it wouldn't be judicial overreach to force him to retract it.
 
ToxicBunny said:
No it actually wouldn't be if the decision was irrational etc.

If everyone can see that the reason is a BS facade then it wouldn't be judicial overreach to force him to retract it.
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Then let's go Champ, what is the DA waiting for? I give them 48hrs to go to court.
 
ToxicBunny said:
No it actually wouldn't be if the decision was irrational etc.

If everyone can see that the reason is a BS facade then it wouldn't be judicial overreach to force him to retract it.
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The decision will pass a rationality test. What argument can be made that it was irrational? Everyone one knows the reasons advanced are BS but it can't be proved so a court will not find anything irrational.
 
R13... said:
The DA will lose the court case as it would be judicial overreach to make him reconsider. He's given a reason even though he's apparently allowed to hire and fire on a whim. The reason is a BS facade, everyone sees through that. His procrastination and indecision aren't a sign of well considered decision making either.
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It's not the reason that's under question, it's that the reason is not valid. Permission was requested and ignored, despite multiple follow-ups. That's what they are saying is irrational, and it's legally within the courts mandate to rule on rationality, so not overreach at all.

There's also the requirement that the process leading to the decision needs to be transparent:
This means that the President's decisions must be justifiable, based on valid reasoning, and the process leading to the decision must be transparent.
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Not sure how transparent it is when he just decides on a whim. These miscreants saying that he has the sole discretion to make decisions, are clearly trying to create a narrative. He doesn't have unfettered power, every decision needs to be rational. And every decision can technically be challenged in court...
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1940289610870861926

The minister added that he’s looking at ways of sending foreign nationals back to their countries of origin to serve their prison sentences, while immediately deporting those who are freed upon completing their sentences.
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We must start a debate to say: shouldn’t we bring back corporal punishment?”
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I have a question. What would corporal punishment be in the context of prisons? And would it be ruled constitutional?
 
R13... said:
The decision will pass a rationality test. What argument can be made that it was irrational? Everyone one knows the reasons advanced are BS but it can't be proved so a court will not find anything irrational.
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They'll be able to prove that multiple requests for permission were made, and were ignored. Being ignored doesn't mean permission declined either, because he approved Mapisa-Nqakula's trip to Zim (on an official jet btw) after she returned. He still hasn't responded to Whitfield's request...
 
R13... said:
The decision will pass a rationality test. What argument can be made that it was irrational? Everyone one knows the reasons advanced are BS but it can't be proved so a court will not find anything irrational.
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Well a starting point would be the delay in response when the standard response time is 1-2 days from the Presidency.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Well a starting point would be the delay in response when the standard response time is 1-2 days from the Presidency.
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I get a feeling this was a set-up.

It's too lekker convenient that every other ANC minister that applied got swift responses, but Whitfield never got a single one...
 
Sultan Mustafa said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1940289610870861926





I have a question. What would corporal punishment be in the context of prisons? And would it be ruled constitutional?
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Surely an interesting judicial question to answer. According to this website (https://endcorporalpunishment.org/south-africa-prohibits-all-corporal-punishment/), the Constitutional Court has only banned corporal punishment of children. I do heavily support Groeneweld's position on deporting foreign criminals.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
They'll be able to prove that multiple requests for permission were made, and were ignored. Being ignored doesn't mean permission declined either, because he approved Mapisa-Nqakula's trip to Zim (on an official jet btw) after she returned. He still hasn't responded to Whitfield's request...
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There may be a point that. He likely ignored making the decision so he has this option in his back pocket. Whitfield would have to prove he did enough in the follow up.

Running to the courts as a whole is the wrong approach when the DA are in the cabinet.
 
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