SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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Sultan Mustafa said:
I get a feeling this was a set-up.

It's too lekker convenient that every other ANC minister that applied got swift responses, but Whitfield never got a single one...
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I dunno about a setup per se, but it would display bias on the part of the Presidency which in itself when it comes to decision making or permission granting is problematic.
 
R13... said:
There may be a point that. He likely ignored making the decision so he has this option in his back pocket. Whitfield would have to prove he did enough in the follow up.

Running to the courts as a whole is the wrong approach when the DA are in the cabinet.
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How is it wrong when the President basically went "So? I'm in charge and you will obey!"
 
How South Africa could harness Donald Trump’s wrath

NO SAILOR LIKES a hurricane. But if the alternative is drifting in the doldrums without hope, even vicious gales have their uses. As South Africa is buffeted by criticism from President Donald Trump and other American conservatives—some of it unfair and pushed by bad-faith actors—centrist business and political leaders dream of riding that storm to hasten reforms.
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The port city of Cape Town faces “quite concentrated AGOA risks” as a centre for exporting citrus fruit, wine and car engines, frets its mayor, Geordin Hill-Lewis. He is from the Democratic Alliance (DA), a business-friendly party and junior partner in Mr Ramaphosa’s coalition government. Mr Hill-Lewis declares that South Africa has behaved “appallingly” towards America for years. “If there were a textbook for alienating friends, we have written it,” he says in his office overlooking the bustling docks. He suggests that big American firms have long chafed at post-apartheid laws that oblige many foreign firms to set up licensed local subsidiaries then sell 30% stakes in them to black business interests, under a system known as Black Economic Empowerment (BEE).
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Importantly, external criticism is prompting self-reflection. Several South Africans welcomed Mr Ramaphosa’s delegation acknowledging their country’s appalling crime-rates in the Oval Office, as they tried to convince Mr Trump that white farmers are less likely to be murdered than poor blacks. American hostility will not make South Africa change course entirely. But if it puts wind in reformers’ sails, this tempest might yet do some good.
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Surely an interesting judicial question to answer. According to this website (https://endcorporalpunishment.org/south-africa-prohibits-all-corporal-punishment/), the Constitutional Court has only banned corporal punishment of children.
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But in the context of prisons, how would it work? Would they simply moer okes or sjambok them?

And I'm not sure it would survive ConCourt...
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
I do heavily support Groeneweld's position on deporting foreign criminals.
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Agreed.
 
R13... said:
There may be a point that. He likely ignored making the decision so he has this option in his back pocket. Whitfield would have to prove he did enough in the follow up.
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Doesn't matter whether he did enough in the follow-ups. He applied, and followed up. It's a simple approve/decline that was never given.
R13... said:
Running to the courts as a whole is the wrong approach when the DA are in the cabinet.
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Well there's no political solution when the president acts as dictator, backed by his party. As well as all those smaller parties singing for their supper. This is a constitutional mechanism that anyone can use. The courts will decide who's right...
 
Is the South African government expected to issue a formal response to the U.S. government's demands by the 9th of July deadline?
 
Sultan Mustafa said:
Let's say they use that. Would it survive ConCourt? I doubt it.
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I don't see Capital Punishment being an option in the slightest in this country and I would expect the ConCourt to rule such as well.

Also I wouldn't necessarily trust our "leaders" with the option since it would be abused in a heartbeat to oppress the unwashed masses when they get unruly.
 
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