SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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Captain Slog said:
How about taking the 200 billion from the money leached, stolen and defrauded from the Jozi fiscus over the last 35 years.
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You must be mistaken, the R200bn is not to fix potholes.

We never hear about how they need x amount of materials and y amount of man hours. They always just need the money...
 
Captain Slog said:
No, that is never going to happen Western Cape is just another province and will always remain such.
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I've learnt one thing in life NEVER say never! History is a cycle, the Boere left the Cape Province in disgust in the early 19th century, they're coming back now for the same reasons. It's only a matter of time!

Captain Slog said:
How about taking the 200 billion from the money leached, stolen and defrauded from the Jozi fiscus over the last 35 years.
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Money was spent on very noble causes, more is now required for the same.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1909924672801480871

  • The DA opposes draft regulations on private security published by Police Minister Senzo Mchunu.
  • The draft regulations include stricter firearm use criteria, bans on certain weapons, and mandatory annual mental health checks for security officers.
  • Submissions on the proposals can be made until 25 April.
Another point of contention between government of national unity (GNU) partners – the ANC and DA – is brewing as the DA lobbies the public to object the draft regulations for the private security industry that Police Minister Senzo Mchunu has recently published for comment.

The proposals to amend the Private Security Industry Regulations that Mchunu gazetted on 28 March focus on firearm use.

The draft regulations have 21 conditions under which security firms may issue firearms to security officers.


This includes:
  • The security business or the security officer is not being investigated by the State for the unlawful use of force or for an offence under the Firearms Control Act;
  • The security business or officer is not being investigated by the Private Security Industry Regulatory Authority (PSIRA) for improper conduct;
  • The firearm is "reasonably necessary" for rendering a security service;
  • The security officer is not under the influence "of a substance that has an intoxicating or narcotic effect";
  • The security officer is in a "mentally stable condition" and the security business has no reason to believe that the person would use the firearm for any unlawful purpose or in a unlawful or negligent manner; and
  • The security officer is given "no more than a reasonable quantity of ammunition for the purposes of rendering the relevant security service".




Security officers may not be issued with firearms in taxi ranks, cemeteries, stadia, shopping malls, churches, restaurants, parks, hospitals, schools and "any other similar public establishments", unless certain conditions are met, including that the minister hasn't declared the area a firearm-free zone by the minister, a risk assessment report has been submitted to PSIRA and "there is no other alternative means of protection".

The proposed regulations also intend to prohibit security services from using tasers, tear gas, water cannons, sponge grenades, rubber bullets, and "any other weapon that may harm civilians", unless certain conditions are met. This includes that the "use of prohibited weapons is in the public interest", and a risk assessment has been submitted to PSIRA.

READ | Greater oversight with proposed changes to security firearm law, no outright ban - PSIRA

Furthermore, the draft regulations would require security companies to annually assess security officers issued with firearms in terms of their audio-visual capacity, "locomotive system" – presumably meaning their locomotor system – neurological system and general mental and emotional condition at the companies' cost.


On Tuesday, DA spokesperson Ian Cameron issued a statement, saying: "The Private Security Industry Regulatory Authority's recently published draft regulations will make it harder for private security companies to keep communities safe and must be opposed.

"The DA calls for all persons who believe that private security is essential for public safety, to make public submissions against this overreach."

He said many communities remain under siege due to out-of-control criminality, which the police cannot address alone.

He added:

Private security companies are key partners in assisting SAPS in the fight against crime, and must be protected from these draconian regulations.


This was the third statement he issued since the draft regulations were gazetted.

Cameron is also the chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Police. Before he became an MP last year, he was the director of community safety at NGO Action Society.

Action Society said previously that while it supports oversight for ethical and professional security services, they are concerned that the proposed amendments could jeopardise public safety and the effectiveness of crime prevention, particularly in relation to gender-based violence (GBV).

"The capacity of private security to protect South African communities, particularly in areas where the state is unable to provide adequate safety should be protected at all cost. In many areas neighbourhood watches and private security companies are the only line of defence in gang-ridden areas where communities are left unsupported by formal policing," said Action Society spokesperson Juanita du Preez, according to a statement.

READ | 'We have to instil a culture of honesty and integrity in the police' - Ramaphosa

"Instead of centralising control through impractical and punitive regulations, Action Society advocates for decentralising policing powers. Empowering local security entities and fostering a community-driven ecosystem prioritises safety and builds resilience against violence."


Gideon Joubert of the South African Gun Owners' Association (SAGA) said there are "numerous serious and debilitating flaws in these amendments".

"They will significantly increase the administrative burden and costs on private security providers, and severely curtail their ability to render services to their clients. With over 580 000 security officers employed serving millions of clients, the industry is a cornerstone of South African safety — these amendments threaten to destabilise it entirely," he said in a statement.

He said if the proposed amendment intends to root out rogue and criminal players in the private security industry, it is taking the wrong path.

"Most would agree that purging harmful entities is a vital task for the regulatory authority – but this can be achieved by enforcing existing laws, not piling on new burdens. Criminal groups thrive by exploiting corruption and inefficiency in state bodies like SAPS and PSIRA, operating as sham security firms," Joubert said.

ALSO READ | Security guards without weapons might be our frontier, says Ian Cameron

"The rational fix is to investigate, prosecute, and convict these bad actors, not to saddle a critical industry with costly, crippling restrictions that punish legitimate players and weaken their ability to serve the public and state. By pushing these changes, the regulator risks harming the very industry it is meant to protect – along with its clients, employees, and the broader economy. If enacted, they will leave us with a less safe, less secure society."

PSIRA head Manabela Chauke said on Tuesday that the proposed amendments to the regulations are meant to "protect society" and to compel security service providers to have their officers undergo a risk evaluation assessment, News24 reported on Tuesday.


The draft regulations can be accessed here. It will come into effect 180 days after it was gazetted, "unless otherwise specified".

The deadline for submissions is 25 April, and it can be sent to [email protected].
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Captain Slog said:
While the topic of cutting government spending waste is on the table why do we not look at having parliament sit in only one city? How much is wasted having them move between Cape Town and Pretoria? The Cape offices, mansions and burnt buildings should be sold off and the whole shooting match moved to the Union Buildings and the environs. Perhaps move the Bloem crowd too.
While we are at it we should make them keep office hours and only have public holidays off like the rest of us. Also need to do away with all the pomp (honorable (not likely) member and all that claptrap! (It is colonial anyway)) and BS and run as a business.
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Why not just move the Capitol to Nklanda? Might as well piss away all lasting legacies of our history. Renaming streets and banning flags not enough for you guys?
 
Mista_Mobsta said:
Yep very true - guess there's no pleasing everyone in this life.

DA went too far with their GNU Budget demands
ASA played for fools to help ANC push through a pro-ANC budget
ANC doing the usual dictatorship my-way or the highway
EFF + MKP doing the usual 'give back the land' communist BS

All I want is for the bloody cost of living to go down, the corruption to stop and business to not look at SA as a sh*thole of a country to operate in
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Stop shilling for the ANC. Nothing that the DA wanted was unreasonable, other than wanting some say on the economic trajectory of the country. Which they are entitled to get considering that voters did not give the ANC a majority.

What is the problem with this? Specifically the part in blue which was the DA's proposed amendment.
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https://currencynews.co.za/the-argument-in-favour-of-the-da-leaving-the-gnu/
  1. As Parties to this GNU, we agree that the 7th administration should focus on the following priorities:
    1. Rapid, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, the promotion of fixed capital investment and industrialization, job creation, transformation, livelihood support, land reform, infrastructure development, structural reforms and transformational change, fiscal sustainability, and the sustainable use of our national resources and endowments. Macro-economic management must support national development goals in a sustainable manner
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The DA wanted the ANC to ensure that economic proposals from members of the GNU were included in the strategy for economic growth. Which literally is what the GNU statement of intent provided:

  1. Parties will work together in good faith and seek to build consensus on the formation of government where no party has an outright majority, on the basis of the above shared values and minimum programme, and in the interest of all South Africa’s people.
  1. Parties will cooperate with each other in respect of the executive and/or legislature activities to advance these shared goals.
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Garson007 said:
Why not just move the Capitol to Nklanda? Might as well piss away all lasting legacies of our history. Renaming streets and banning flags not enough for you guys?
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Us guys? Which you guys am I accused of being one of?
What attachment do you think I have to Nkandla?
 
Captain Slog said:
In whose eyes was it priceless? A load of colonial and apartheid relics, let them burn!
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Sad. I was in Durban City hall a awhile back , not just the council chambers ( which haven't been used ) but the surrounding meeting rooms. The architecture, wood paneling and decor is still beautiful.

Burn history.... and see it repeat.
 
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