SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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ShaunSA said:
They managed to get 45% and then blew it by not making sure they governed. Would have been given them decent access to the trough.
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They could have been governing if the EFF wasn't so useless that they couldn't even muster 5% after the big deal they made about filling Moses Mabhida...
 
ToxicBunny said:
I think a fair chunk will change, what little is currently done in muni's will evaporate while the new "rulers" fight for positions and dominance and I think political killings will skyrocket once again.
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It is indeed going to be a mess, because unlike the provincial elections, there will probably be no way to form a government without the EFF and other small parties.

It will be very wise not to cobble anything up for the other parties, force the MK, EFF and others to reach a deal or call another election, it is very abnormal for a party to get 45% and not be interested in governing as the MK is doing, it can only mean one thing, their sole interest is causing chaos.
 
TheChamp said:
It is indeed going to be a mess, because unlike the provincial elections, there will probably be no way to form a government without the EFF and other small parties.

It will be very wise not to cobble anything up for the other parties, force the MK, EFF and others to reach a deal or call another election, it is very abnormal for a party to get 45% and not be interested in governing as the MK is doing, it can only mean one thing, their sole interest is causing chaos.
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I dunno, I think the MK were very interested in governing, but the ANC was fully aware that getting into bed with them would be a death knell for them so they wouldn't do it, and the same goes for the IFP as well.

Now they're largely out to cause chaos because its the only card they have available to them, and even that they're doing poorly.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Maybe I am being just hopeful but I think Malema is done for. His support will continue to waver around current figures and won't increase. People don't really want to associate with his rabid style. It worked in the beginning but it is difficult to manage momentum.
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There will always be the impressionable type of voters so the EFF won't be disappearing from the scene any time soon, yes they will always be around the 10% mark, with this being the local election, that 10% or 9% is going to be a massive factor, all they need is one small party to upset the apple cart, then Juju will be folding arms on the table flanked by his grinning worshippers as he declares he is the boss.
 
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Trump’s tariffs an unmanageable risk for SA carmakers

For decades, South Africa has benefited enormously from German luxury car brands’ assembly plants. BMW’s Rosslyn and Mercedes-Benz’s East London facilities produce high-margin luxury cars for American buyers. It’s been a terrific business – until now.

From the early 2000s, an American preference for BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedans drove enormous profits for BMW and Mercedes-Benz’s South African operations. It was an excellent example of the benefits of globalisation: South African build costs and American retail price profits.

BMW and Mercedes-Benz also applied German labour environment standards, which meant working in the Rosslyn and East London facilities provided access to notable benefits and upskilling opportunities.

America is a high-value market

There’s a lot of noise and panic in naamsa | The Automotive Business Council and Government circles about what American tariffs could do to the South African car industry. Tariff math is simple, but its meaning is a bit more complicated…

America accounts for a very small percentage of South African-built vehicle exports. Last year, it was only 6.5%. But it’s value that matters, not volume. South Africa exports expensive luxury cars to North America – as opposed to, say, budget hatchbacks – which means the per-unit effect is huge. Last year, the total value of South African-built BMW and Mercedes-Benz products for American customers, plus South African automotive components, totalled R35 billion. Vehicles alone were 25 553 units.

South African BMW X3 and Mercedes-Benz C-Class builds will trigger the new 25% tariff on all imported vehicles, eroding their price-competitive sourcing. It’s a minor trade and industrial policy tragedy, as South African-made German luxury cars have developed to an excellent assembly standard, pleasing even the most demanding of American customers.

Africa’s luxury automotive leader

For BMW and Mercedes-Benz, it’s an abundantly complex scenario. Rosslyn and East London are some of the oldest German luxury car assembly facilities outside of Europe, and have no rivals in Africa.

Other African automotive zones, such as Morocco and Egypt, don’t have the supply chain to support ultra-luxury builds like X3 or C-Class. Morocco makes more vehicles, but mostly budget Renault and Dacia hatches. In X3 and C-Class, Mzansi builds much higher sophistication and -spec cars for export.

Automotive jobs are among the best manufacturing employment opportunities in South Africa. In the Eastern Cape, especially East London, the economy is hugely dependent on Mercedes-Benz. And, not just for primary manufacturing wage employment and skills development, but also the localised supply chain that Government regulations have developed.

 
TheChamp said:
It's going to be the usual coalition mess, which will be greatly amplified by the MK being the biggest parties in some munis but because they are so incompetent they can't convince anyone to help them govern.

I thought they were going to be bright and use the invitation by the ANC to negotiate for KZN currently and for the upcoming local elections, but you know how they roll, they are waiting for uBaba to make up his mind.
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I suspect MK will be 50%+ there and wont need to negotiate
 
BMW Currently only manufactures the X3 (30d/40e) in Rosslyn as far as I know and those are currently not exported to the states.
Most of them are for the EU

BMW has plants in the USA , so we may well see a shift of was is kept locally and what is exported

Yes BMW has issue's . China and EU export to USA


FiestaST said:
Trump’s tariffs an unmanageable risk for SA carmakers

For decades, South Africa has benefited enormously from German luxury car brands’ assembly plants. BMW’s Rosslyn and Mercedes-Benz’s East London facilities produce high-margin luxury cars for American buyers. It’s been a terrific business – until now.

From the early 2000s, an American preference for BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedans drove enormous profits for BMW and Mercedes-Benz’s South African operations. It was an excellent example of the benefits of globalisation: South African build costs and American retail price profits.

BMW and Mercedes-Benz also applied German labour environment standards, which meant working in the Rosslyn and East London facilities provided access to notable benefits and upskilling opportunities.

America is a high-value market

There’s a lot of noise and panic in naamsa | The Automotive Business Council and Government circles about what American tariffs could do to the South African car industry. Tariff math is simple, but its meaning is a bit more complicated…

America accounts for a very small percentage of South African-built vehicle exports. Last year, it was only 6.5%. But it’s value that matters, not volume. South Africa exports expensive luxury cars to North America – as opposed to, say, budget hatchbacks – which means the per-unit effect is huge. Last year, the total value of South African-built BMW and Mercedes-Benz products for American customers, plus South African automotive components, totalled R35 billion. Vehicles alone were 25 553 units.

South African BMW X3 and Mercedes-Benz C-Class builds will trigger the new 25% tariff on all imported vehicles, eroding their price-competitive sourcing. It’s a minor trade and industrial policy tragedy, as South African-made German luxury cars have developed to an excellent assembly standard, pleasing even the most demanding of American customers.

Africa’s luxury automotive leader

For BMW and Mercedes-Benz, it’s an abundantly complex scenario. Rosslyn and East London are some of the oldest German luxury car assembly facilities outside of Europe, and have no rivals in Africa.

Other African automotive zones, such as Morocco and Egypt, don’t have the supply chain to support ultra-luxury builds like X3 or C-Class. Morocco makes more vehicles, but mostly budget Renault and Dacia hatches. In X3 and C-Class, Mzansi builds much higher sophistication and -spec cars for export.

Automotive jobs are among the best manufacturing employment opportunities in South Africa. In the Eastern Cape, especially East London, the economy is hugely dependent on Mercedes-Benz. And, not just for primary manufacturing wage employment and skills development, but also the localised supply chain that Government regulations have developed.

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Major Boredom said:
I suspect MK will be 50%+ there and wont need to negotiate
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They could if they were organised, but their strategy so far has been to use popular people to win and then later throw them out, that's why they have an 10 MP vancancy currently, they fired most of the people who campaigned for them who were on the parliament list.

The only problem with that strategy on local elections is that if you kick out a councillor it triggers a by election, so if they do manage to hold it together before the election and win, it is going to fall apart as soon after the elections.
 
TheChamp said:
They could if they were organised, but their strategy so far has been to use popular people to win and then later throw them out, that's why they have an 10 MP vancancy currently, they fired most of the people who campaigned for them who were on the parliament list.

The only problem with that strategy on local elections is that if you kick out a councillor it triggers a by election, so if they do manage to hold it together before the election and win, it is going to fall apart as soon after the elections.
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I suspect MK is going to be feeding off the ANC and EFF. This VAT debacle is not going to help the ANC
 
Major Boredom said:
BMW Currently only manufactures the X3 (30d/40e) in Rosslyn as far as I know and those are currently not exported to the states.
Most of them are for the EU

BMW has plants in the USA , so we may well see a shift of was is kept locally and what is exported

Yes BMW has issue's . China and EU export to USA
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I dug a bit deeper & you're sorta right re: BMW & the Rosslyn plant:

USA only get these two models, so spot on there:

The new BMW X3 heralds major improvements in efficiency and dynamic performance to both the 4-cylinder and high-performance 6-cylinder variants, and these changes coincide with a change to the model designations. The two models will be badged BMW X3 30 xDrive and BMW X3 M50 xDrive, thereby dropping the letter “i” from the model name that previously indicated fuel injection. In future, the letter “i” will only be used in the names of all-electric BMW models.

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Having said that BMW Rosslyn produces more than the just the 30d/40e X3 models, we do them all bar the top dog M50:

In addition to the previously launched BMW X3 30e xDrive, BMW Group Plant Rosslyn will now also produce the BMW X3 20 petrol and 20d diesel variants, (started in January 2025), followed by the BMW X3 40d xDrive in May 2025. Significantly, both the BMW X3 30e xDrive and the BMW X3 40d xDrive will be exclusively produced at BMW Group Plant Rosslyn for global markets. This strategic move reinforces the BMW Group’s ‘technology openness’ philosophy, offering customers powertrain options that best suit their individual needs.

www.press.bmwgroup.com

The new BMW X3 drives BMW Group Plant Rosslyn’s success story.

+++ Media experience the new BMW X3 at BMW Group Plant Rosslyn +++ BMW Group Plant Rosslyn reintroduces a third production shift +++ BMW Group Plant Rosslyn expands its production line with new ICE models for global export +++
www.press.bmwgroup.com www.press.bmwgroup.com
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TheChamp said:
I can assure you the last thing Gogo is in the mood for today is laughing, they take by elections very seriously there, John has probably been summoned to her office to explain himself.
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Oh she's annoyed by that, in the most British way possible, but she can still laugh at Herman and how rent-free she is.
 
Major Boredom said:
BMW Currently only manufactures the X3 (30d/40e) in Rosslyn as far as I know and those are currently not exported to the states.
Most of them are for the EU

BMW has plants in the USA , so we may well see a shift of was is kept locally and what is exported

Yes BMW has issue's . China and EU export to USA
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It does mess up with their future plans in a big way, but yes, they will probably dodge a bullet since they were currently not exporting there.

www.moneyweb.co.za

BMW SA plans to export the new X3 SUV to the US

From 2026, but continued access to Agoa benefits is key.
www.moneyweb.co.za www.moneyweb.co.za
 
ANC fighting to protect corruption again...

  • Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs MEC Thulasizwe Buthelezi has sent investigators to the Msunduzi municipality to probe a litany of allegations, including political interference relating to tenders.
  • But the ANC in Msunduzi, supported by a bloc of independent councillors from small parties, is trying to stop the investigation.
  • Msunduzi's vision statement is to be a "safe, vibrant, sustainable and smart metropolis by 2040", but two reports tabled before councillors paint a grim picture of the intervening period.
A Msunduzi Local Municipality internal audit investigation and an Auditor-General report offer a glimpse into what Section 106 investigators might uncover at the troubled municipality, a probe which the ANC is trying to derail.

The governance lapses found by a confidential internal audit, tabled before council on 1 April and seen by News24, range from employees with no government contracts, payment of workers for "scarce" skills even in cases where there is no evidence of these skills, and excess overtime claims costing R30 million among a myriad other alleged transgressions.

Section 106 of the Municipal Systems Act gives powers to the cooperative governance and traditional affairs (Cogta) MEC to establish a formal inquiry that will probe maladministration and corruption.

KwaZulu-Natal Cogta MEC Thulasizwe Buthelezi of the IFP invoked Section 106 to order a forensic investigation at the municipality, where investigators will look at political interference on tenders, among other things.

But the ANC is already resisting the intervention, and wants to block the government-sanctioned probe, News24 reported on Wednesday.

Administration bungles

The audit report spotlights an administration culture where information is not submitted for audit purposes; billing of debtors who don't reside within the municipal boundaries (R1.7 million); incorrect calculation of debt impairment (R83.4 million); overstatement of debtors with credit balances (R14.26 million); and a valuation roll that does not correlate with annual financial statements (R6.14 million).
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www.news24.com

Two reports, same damning findings into Msunduzi municipality, but ANC wants probe blocked | News24

A Msunduzi municipality internal audit and an Auditor-General report offer a glimpse into what Section 106 investigators might uncover at the troubled municipality - a probe which the ANC is trying to derail.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
 
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