SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

[ToxicBunny]

Looks like a good idea to install the lamposts skew; will not be so obvious when they are bent in the (near) future.

Also nice fancy AI cameras...

How long before they're installed in someones mjondolo for "security" I wonder.

 

[Captain Slog]

Yeah, I'm not asking POPIA questions, as I'm not sure how it would be handled.

But I find it funny that JRA can deploy "AI cameras" but not fix the road that blew up...

Those so-called AI cameras are the standard Vumatel cameras and are everywhere.

 

[TheChamp]

He? Olive?

Her.

 

[Kung Fu Porkchop]

3 days in office
Will be arrested...
What?

 

[Next Thing]

Now this is what I call desperate politicking.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947380859969147238

As a minister it is prohibited by the constitution to have other paid work ( Chapter 5 - 96 )
Looks like someone has been appointed illegally

 

[G'Wobblez]

Yeah, I'm not asking POPIA questions, as I'm not sure how it would be handled.

But I find it funny that JRA can deploy "AI cameras" but not fix the road that blew up...

Not defending the JRA, it's a very complex situation that includes illegals, South Africans squatters and voters, that will need to be displaced.

They need to remove people who are there that can not be brought back to the area, imagine the outrage. Same issue with squatter camps. You are reasoning with idiots.

I think the hope is that they will leave on their own with it being a hell hole....

 

[Next Thing]

So moan when traffic lights are vandalised causing the city and the taxpayers to incur extra costs of fixing them, moan when people are mugged and hijacked at intersections but moan even more when measures are put in place to mitigate against that?

There have been a number of concerns raised by various parties regarding these camera's like that and how they relate to POPI
Regardless of the good they do , it doenst help if the information is gathered in an illegal manner.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

‘It’s the middle class that is opposing Cape Town tariffs’

It is not the rich, as Cape Town Mayor Geordin Hill-Lewis alleges, who are opposing the cleaning levy and linking fixed charges to property value in the city’s budget, but the middle class, says the Cape Town Collective Ratepayers’ Association (CTCRA).

The association represents 57 different ratepayer associations and has come out strongly in support of the South African Property Association’s (Sapoa) court application to have three fixed metro council tariffs reviewed and set aside. These are the city-wide cleaning levy and the fixed charges for water and sanitation.

The ratepayers are also accusing the DA, which governs in Cape Town, of double standards by fighting for the rule of law in other municipalities but proceeding with the implementation of what it believes are unlawful tariffs in Cape Town despite fierce opposition.

 

[TheChamp]

As a minister it is prohibited by the constitution to have other paid work ( Chapter 5 - 96 )
Looks like someone has been appointed illegally

I never thought I would see the day where high IQ people on this forum take their lead from the EFF.

Where is the proof that she has other paid work?

 

[TheChamp]

Ku ve na n'wina.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947540023571554424

 

[Next Thing]

I never thought I would see the day where high IQ people on this forum take their lead from the EFF.

Where is the proof that she has other paid work?

Replied as per the twit you posted
Being a board member is paid work

Law is the Law

 

[ToxicBunny]

There have been a number of concerns raised by various parties regarding these camera's like that and how they relate to POPI
Regardless of the good they do , it doenst help if the information is gathered in an illegal manner.

Its not that it doesn't help, if the information gathered is done in an illegal manner its inadmissible so then effective the money spent on systems to gather the evidence become wasteful expenditure.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

Remember that @TheChamp is a big fan of Chinese car manufacturers but as usual, he's not considering the overall effects of greater Chinese sales, which will most likely lead to the destruction of the local automotive industry.

Policymakers and politicians may open their eyes in five or 10 years and realise there are no local car manufacturing plants left – gradually, then suddenly.

China’s not coming to build car factories here or anywhere else in the world.

The whole point is the scale afforded by its massive manufacturing base (and the integrated ecosystems that exist around that).


After all, that’s how it can build a quality SUV to profitably sell for just R330 000.

Chinese SUVs are ‘iPhone moment’ for rest of motor industry

Policymakers and politicians may open their eyes in five or 10 years and realise there are no local car manufacturing plants left.

www.moneyweb.co.za

 

[Next Thing]

Its not that it doesn't help, if the information gathered is done in an illegal manner its inadmissible so then effective the money spent on systems to gather the evidence become wasteful expenditure.

Yeah we have had a few instances I have seen on our local crime groups where someone has alerted on a "suspicious" car.
Someone who had access to the data then posted that car had been seen x times in the last 3 months using the xxx following offramps into the area. This was posted onto a group with 100's of members and that that car was not on any watch lists

 

[Bewlen]

Remember that @TheChamp is a big fan of Chinese car manufacturers but as usual, he's not considering the overall effects of greater Chinese sales, which will most likely lead to the destruction of the local automotive industry.

Chinese SUVs are ‘iPhone moment’ for rest of motor industry

Policymakers and politicians may open their eyes in five or 10 years and realise there are no local car manufacturing plants left.

www.moneyweb.co.za

What people don't understand, is that China's biggest export is.... chinese people. All of their "investments" into other countries - ports, factories, you name it - are used to funnel chinese people into the country.

A couple of years ago, a business associate told me how they were surprised to find a supplier's operation literally vanish overnight, and how they had to scramble to find alternatives to the product used in their manufacturing. The original supplier literally packed up a factory over the weekend and disappeared, and they finally figured out that their special tax dispensation ran out, simply seized operations and shipped the factory back to china, but left the hundreds of naturalised citizens (chinese labourers) behind. Absolutely fascinating!

And then our politicians denounce the evil west, and cheer the loving and benevolent chinese You think you've lived colonization? You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

China BAD

China’s not coming to build car factories here or anywhere else in the world.

Orange criminal GOOD

Orange criminal puts tariffs up as he wants manufacturing to be moved to USA

 

[Sideshow Bob]

And then our politicians denounce the evil west, and cheer the loving and benevolent chinese You think you've lived colonization? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Which was the company where you personally experienced all this ? Or is it 'google it bru' thing now?

 

[Next Thing]

What people don't understand, is that China's biggest export is.... chinese people. All of their "investments" into other countries - ports, factories, you name it - are used to funnel chinese people into the country.

A couple of years ago, a business associate told me how they were surprised to find a supplier's operation literally vanish overnight, and how they had to scramble to find alternatives to the product used in their manufacturing. The original supplier literally packed up a factory over the weekend and disappeared, and they finally figured out that their special tax dispensation ran out, simply seized operations and shipped the factory back to china, but left the hundreds of naturalised citizens (chinese labourers) behind. Absolutely fascinating!

And then our politicians denounce the evil west, and cheer the loving and benevolent chinese You think you've lived colonization? You ain't seen nothing yet.

I have seen some effects of this
Generally the chinese companies :
1. Bring in all their own labour with minimal local labor. If they do use local labor it is normally local chinese which fall under BEE
2. IMport their own materials needed. Minimal local supply
3. Very heavy with chinese directors and managers

 

[TheChamp]

Remember that @TheChamp is a big fan of Chinese car manufacturers but as usual, he's not considering the overall effects of greater Chinese sales, which will most likely lead to the destruction of the local automotive industry.

Chinese SUVs are ‘iPhone moment’ for rest of motor industry

Policymakers and politicians may open their eyes in five or 10 years and realise there are no local car manufacturing plants left.

www.moneyweb.co.za

I am not a fan of Chinese or (insert any country of your choice) car manufacturer, I am fan of competition because that pushes down prices and result in value for money for the consumer.

What I don't understand about all of you, besides Toyota, Ford, VW, MB, Isuzu, BMW and Nissan, and most recently whatever Stellantis is trying to do, the rest of the cars running on our roads were not manufactured here, you never had a problem, you never made noise.

Renault, all Stellantis products, Opel, Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen, Honda, Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Hyundai and Kia, (yes they don't manufacture any passenger cars here @Agent69)

None of those build cars here, and it was all fine because they were just as overpriced and it was a nice cartel, you only wake up now and want to moan when the Chinese are bringing the competition we so desperately need.

Those guys have made a fortune off building cars here and selling them for ridiculous prices, time for a little, healthy competition, consumers can only benefit from

 

[Next Thing]

What I don't understand about all of you, besides Toyota, Ford, VW, MB, Isuzu, BMW and Nissan, and most recently whatever Stellantis is a nice cartel, you only wake up now and want to moan when the Chinese are bringing the competition we so desperately need.

You forgot merc in the picture

Personally when I am buying a car I also dont mind cheap prices from that perspective

From a different viewpoint and looking at what is good for the country a lot of cars manufactured here are exported which is then translated into foreign earnings.
1. The 30% , potentially 40% tarrif rate for the US could kill a lot of that income and cost jobs. Merc is being hit hard with this. Figures I saw is that they current export 90% to the USA
2. Potentially it could cause the manufacturers of cars to stop operations in South Africa as it is now too expensive and move those manufacturing plants to countries where conditions are better. This is not only tarrifs but also the difficult business climate brought in with BEE and unions.
2. Importing cars is not good for the country. It generates minimal jobs and depletes forex holdings and will widens the defecit.

Car margins in South AFrica are actually fairly tight. Bringing in subsidised cheap cars does not help this and could kill all South African based operations