SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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Here's Tim Pool's recent podcast with Ernst Roets & Lara Logan...

The DEMISE of South Africa & PERSECUTION of White People | The Culture War with Tim Pool​

 

[Solarion]

There's probably nothing SA could do to appease Trump. It's just a loss the country got to take. Pivot onto other market regions and move on. Can't have your policies being dictated by some madman like imperial times. I'm sure business with America will continue but some will cease.

One thing you celebrating rightwingers forget is that Trump is acting to isolate America so this isn't necessary a slight on the ANC and some of their misguided policies. But the rightwing aren't smart enough to see the bigger picture.

Sure there is. Four things. The ANC chose to keep these four simple things and be damned with the country.

 

[ShaunSA]

Jonas is a chairman at MTN,

Man sure used his position as 2IC to Jamna the Ass to ensure a golden future

 

[ToxicBunny]

It's still sitting in someones junk mail folder

Damn, that was gonna be my chirp.

Spamhaus and all those providers have probably marked dirco.gov.za as an unsafe sender

 

[ToxicBunny]

Sure there is. Four things.

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Redress!
Victim!
Apartheid!

Are all the reasons we cannot do those things you know.

 

[R13...]

Sure there is. Four things. The ANC chose to keep these four simple things and be damned with the country.

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That's just a wish the rightwing lobbyists dreamed up. The US made no such demands for trade.

 

[Mariner]

That's just a wish the rightwing lobbyists dreamed up. The US made no such demands for trade.

This is the official position of the USA:

During the meeting in Washington, DC, the United States officials communicated the Administration’s official position regarding South Africa.

During the meeting, US officials emphasised that improving relations will depend on South Africa addressing four key issues:

1. Farm attacks to be prioritised​

The US wants the South African government to officially classify farm attacks as a priority crime, on par with crimes like rhino poaching and cash-in-transit heists.

They said that each incident should be handled by elite investigative units such as the Hawks, and warned that the current lack of urgency sends the wrong message about rural safety and human rights.

2. Condemnation of ‘Kill the Boer’​

American officials called for a clear, public condemnation by the ANC of the chant “Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer,” which they described as inciting violence, regardless of whether it is expressed in song or speech.

The US stressed the importance of promoting inclusive rhetoric to foster social cohesion.

3. Fair compensation for land expropriation​

The US reaffirmed its stance that land expropriation must include fair market compensation and follow full legal processes.

Officials noted concern about property rights and investor confidence, saying that land reform must be conducted in a transparent, lawful, and non-discriminatory manner.

4. Exemption from BEE requirements​

Another demand is that US companies be exempt from Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) policies that impose race-based requirements.

According to the officials, BEE regulations function as non-tariff trade barriers and should not be imposed on American entities doing business in South Africa.

US lists FOUR demands of South Africa, including condemnation of 'Kill the Boer'

The US government has outlined a set of preconditions that it wants met before fully normalising bilateral relations with South Africa.

www.thesouthafrican.com

United States reveals demands about BEE, expropriation, and “Kill the Boer”

United States officials have provided four conditions to normalise relations with South Africa, which include demands on farm attacks, land expropriation, BEE, and “Kill the Boer”.

businesstech.co.za

United States demands 4 things from South Africa, and the GNU is in trouble

Here are five important things happening in South Africa on Friday, 27 June 2025.

businesstech.co.za

MSN

 

[Unhappy1]

The US made no such demands for trade.

Source, because ive got a load that work in that department that they have in fact made such demands.

Here is one just from yesterday

Zane Dangor, director-general at the Department of International Relations and Cooperation, told a seminar in Johannesburg that U.S. counterparts had been clear in meetings "that there's certain things they expect from South Africa, and BEE was high on the agenda".

South Africa says US pushback against domestic race policies complicating trade deal

A top South African diplomat said on Tuesday that U.S. demands on domestic affirmative action policies were complicating efforts to secure a trade deal, days before a 30% tariff on South African exports to the U.S. takes effect.

www.reuters.com

 

[ShaunSA]

That's just a wish the rightwing lobbyists dreamed up. The US made no such demands for trade.

Pure propaganda. I don't know how anyone could believe such bullschit. Next thing they're going to say Biden was sharp as a tack

 

[Solarion]

That's just a wish the rightwing lobbyists dreamed up. The US made no such demands for trade.

I would take you a lot more seriously if you actually knew what you were arguing for or against as opposed to just sitting there with your arms crossed and nose in the air.

Do you even know who or what you support anymore?

 

[dualmeister]

This is the official position of the USA:

During the meeting in Washington, DC, the United States officials communicated the Administration’s official position regarding South Africa.

During the meeting, US officials emphasised that improving relations will depend on South Africa addressing four key issues:

1. Farm attacks to be prioritised​

The US wants the South African government to officially classify farm attacks as a priority crime, on par with crimes like rhino poaching and cash-in-transit heists.

They said that each incident should be handled by elite investigative units such as the Hawks, and warned that the current lack of urgency sends the wrong message about rural safety and human rights.

2. Condemnation of ‘Kill the Boer’​

American officials called for a clear, public condemnation by the ANC of the chant “Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer,” which they described as inciting violence, regardless of whether it is expressed in song or speech.

The US stressed the importance of promoting inclusive rhetoric to foster social cohesion.

3. Fair compensation for land expropriation​

The US reaffirmed its stance that land expropriation must include fair market compensation and follow full legal processes.

Officials noted concern about property rights and investor confidence, saying that land reform must be conducted in a transparent, lawful, and non-discriminatory manner.

4. Exemption from BEE requirements​

Another demand is that US companies be exempt from Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) policies that impose race-based requirements.

According to the officials, BEE regulations function as non-tariff trade barriers and should not be imposed on American entities doing business in South Africa.

US lists FOUR demands of South Africa, including condemnation of 'Kill the Boer'

The US government has outlined a set of preconditions that it wants met before fully normalising bilateral relations with South Africa.

www.thesouthafrican.com

United States reveals demands about BEE, expropriation, and “Kill the Boer”

United States officials have provided four conditions to normalise relations with South Africa, which include demands on farm attacks, land expropriation, BEE, and “Kill the Boer”.

businesstech.co.za

United States demands 4 things from South Africa, and the GNU is in trouble

Here are five important things happening in South Africa on Friday, 27 June 2025.

businesstech.co.za

MSN

Can understand Ramaphosa ignoring these demands, but surely his white Minister of Agriculture was also in the meeting and he has been silent?
No more votes for the DA

 

[Nom Chompsky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950183396811911384

 

[ToxicBunny]

Part of me is surprised that its taken the USA this long to get gatvol of the BEE requirement for their businesses tbh.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Part of me is surprised that its taken the USA this long to get gatvol of the BEE requirement for their businesses tbh.

You sound ecstatic. You reckon you will get that Eskom job, after all these years ?

 

[ToxicBunny]

You sound ecstatic. You reckon you will get that Eskom job, after all these years ?

Nope, not ecstatic.. just surprised in its own way.

 

[Unhappy1]

Can understand Ramaphosa ignoring these demands, but surely his white Minister of Agriculture was also in the meeting and he has been silent?
No more votes for the DA

I dont know about the other demands but they certainly haven't been silent on the BEE issue.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Can understand Ramaphosa ignoring these demands, but surely his white Minister of Agriculture was also in the meeting and he has been silent?
No more votes for the DA

Has John broke white commandments of your tribe ?

 

[Next Thing]

A person who is blackmailing you for whatever reason is never going to stop the extortion if you give them what they ask for, after that they are going to demand more and more and more.

That is the relationship currently between SA and Trump, maybe it's easy for the likes of Europe and others to give him what he wants, not so much for us, we are never going to fight and die for an ideal, then we just bend over for Trump and reverse all that.

When he is ready to negotiate, we will negotiate but there are some things that are non negotiable and he will just have to accept that, and as for South Africans who think it's not a big deal, fine, vote for your own party that will bend over for him on everything, it's a free country.

I see you have been given your new marching orders
We dont have anything he needs

 

[R13...]

I would take you a lot more seriously if you actually knew what you were arguing for or against as opposed to just sitting there with your arms crossed and nose in the air.

Do you even know who or what you support anymore?

I support Arsenal FC. And SA national sports teams.

 

[Unhappy1]

I support Arsenal FC.