SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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ForceFate said:
I realise as I get older, it's no longer about flashy (No, I never owned a flashy model). Even with that in mind, I'd still get something a lot better than an old Yaris if my children were older and independent and my salary allowed it. The new Corolla for example. Or the i20. Even Mahindra has a decent crossover for under R450k.
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But you are not in her position. She has consistently opted for low cost cars and now if she suddenly gets 500K car, people will accuse her of hypocrisy. People are hypocrites.
 
TheChamp said:
I am telling you your DA polls are a load of rubbish and have provided proof, feel free to believe the rubbish if it makes you feel better.

Being offended when I am just stating facts is childish.
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I think you are 100% correct. The polls are wrong and the ANC is most likely gaining votes - we know this because the vibes are lekker. Definitely keep doing what you're doing cos it's working!
 
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TheChamp said:
Cyril is not going to the apex court, he was sitting there minding his business when he was taken to the apex court.
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Incorrect. There's already been a court ruling in favour of the BHF. Cyril decided to appeal the ruling (rather than abide by it) and take it to the CC.
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Incorrect. There's already been a court ruling in favour of the BHF. Cyril decided to appeal the ruling (rather than abide by it) and take it to the CC.
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So he was sitting there minding his business when the BHF decided to challenge his powers in court, he would be very delinquent if he did not protect the powers of the President, the BHF started this.
 
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Inertia said:
I think you are 100% correct. The polls are wrong and the ANC is most likely gaining votes - we know this because the vibes are lekker. Definitely keep doing what you're doing cos it's working!
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You don't have to think, the proof is right there looking at you in the eye.

Did the DA and it's Moonshot get 45% in Gauteng as the polls suggested? No.

www.timeslive.co.za

Internal DA, independent polling shows multiparty charter can win Gauteng, says Steenhuisen

The multiparty charter is in pole position to facilitate a power grab from the ANC in Gauteng in next year's elections, according to according to a recent independent poll.
www.timeslive.co.za www.timeslive.co.za

Is the DA the biggest party in urban areas as the polls said they would be? No.

www.da.org.za

Turning point: Diverse DA now the biggest political party in urban South Africa

The article below was published on Businesslive earlier today. Last month, the Social Research Foundation (SRF) released the findings of its latest research into South Africa’s political landscape. The poll was conducted among a sample of 3 204 randomly selected and representative registered...
www.da.org.za

Is the difference between the DA and ANC at 7% as the polls said it would be the case ? No

www.da.org.za

Just 7% now separates DA and ANC nationally

In a significant development, the DA proudly announces that the gap between our party and the ANC has narrowed to unprecedented levels. The DA is now just 7 points behind the ANC, with the DA securing 32% and the ANC at 39% support from all registered voters.
www.da.org.za
 
TheChamp said:
So he was sitting there minding his business when the BHF decided to challenge his powers in court, he would be very delinquent if he did not protect the powers of the President, the BHF started this.
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Nah.. See they arent challenging his powers. His powers are subject to review and he needs to provide the basis for the decision.
 
Major Boredom said:
You get to a point in life where flashy cars are just that flashy and eventually they just become a tool to get from a to b
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Never said anything about flashy cars. A car is indeed a tool of purpose, if getting from point A to B is all she has resigned herself to, then sure, the Yaris would do.
 
TheChamp said:
So he was sitting there minding his business when the BHF decided to challenge his powers in court, he would be very delinquent if he did not protect the powers of the President, the BHF started this.
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Nope, they are challenging whether the correct procedure was followed. Given that the ANC rushed this before the 2024 election, it is likely they skipped a few steps.
 
TheChamp said:
You don't have to think, the proof is right there looking at you in the eye.

Did the DA and it's Moonshot get 45% in Gauteng as the polls suggested? No.

www.timeslive.co.za

Internal DA, independent polling shows multiparty charter can win Gauteng, says Steenhuisen

The multiparty charter is in pole position to facilitate a power grab from the ANC in Gauteng in next year's elections, according to according to a recent independent poll.
www.timeslive.co.za www.timeslive.co.za

Is the DA the biggest party in urban areas as the polls said they would be? No.

www.da.org.za

Turning point: Diverse DA now the biggest political party in urban South Africa

The article below was published on Businesslive earlier today. Last month, the Social Research Foundation (SRF) released the findings of its latest research into South Africa’s political landscape. The poll was conducted among a sample of 3 204 randomly selected and representative registered...
www.da.org.za

Is the difference between the DA and ANC at 7% as the polls said it would be the case ? No

www.da.org.za

Just 7% now separates DA and ANC nationally

In a significant development, the DA proudly announces that the gap between our party and the ANC has narrowed to unprecedented levels. The DA is now just 7 points behind the ANC, with the DA securing 32% and the ANC at 39% support from all registered voters.
www.da.org.za
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We agree fully, why are you still fighting me?
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
@Agent69 - can you provide article? If it's not DA internal polling, this is further evidence of the ANC collapsing even further than in 2024.

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  • DA polling shows ANC lost 11 percentage points nationally since last year’s general election.
  • Johannesburg mayor Dada Morero faces internal criticism while DA’s Helen Zille prepares mayoral campaign in city.
  • ANC relegated to third place in eThekwini, behind the DA and the MKP, after losing 28 percentage points since 2021.
The ANC’s support at the national level has now fallen to below 30%, while Cyril Ramaphosa’s party has also been overtaken by the DA in several metros ahead of next year’s municipal elections.
According to DA polling, which has been particularly accurate in the past, the ANC currently has just 29% support among registered voters. This is 11 percentage points lower than the 40% support the ANC received in last year’s general elections.
Moreover, it shows that the DA is now just one percentage point behind the ANC. John Steenhuisen’s DA has 28% of the support, six percentage points more than it received in last year’s elections.
The DA polling places support for former president Jacob Zuma’s Mkhonto weSizwe Party (MKP) at 11%, the EFF’s at 8% and the IFP’s at 3%.
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This DA polling is conducted daily by telephone among 1 820 demographically representative respondents who are all registered voters. The poll has a 4% margin of error and is modelled for a voter turnout of 100% and a 14-day moving average. The results from 14 August were shared with City Press sister publication Rapport.


The DA’s internal polling is particularly accurate and polled last year’s support within the margin of error just before the polls. For example, its first prediction in November 2023 – six months before the general elections – was that the ANC could nationally get only 40% of the support. With the same poll, it was first established in February last year, four months before the polls, that the MKP could become the country’s third-largest party.

How metros look​

However, it is not only at the national level that the ANC’s support is in freefall. New DA polling conducted at the metro level shows that the ANC’s support in five metros is now less than that of the DA.
In Johannesburg, the ANC polls at a dismal 23%, 10 percentage points lower than what the party received in the 2021 municipal elections. In contrast, the DA stands at 40% (+14 percentage points since 2021). ActionSA is at 12% (-6) and the MKP at 7%.

A fierce battle is expected in next year’s local elections in Johannesburg. The publication also revealed in June that Helen Zille, chairperson of the DA’s federal council, would throw her hat into the ring as its mayoral candidate in Johannesburg.
Zille is expected to be officially announced as the DA’s preferred candidate soon.

In contrast, Dada Morero, the current ANC Johannesburg mayor, regularly runs into trouble due to complaints about the metro’s poor service delivery. Morero is even being castigated from within his party ranks, with Ramaphosa expressing his shock in March at the inner city’s deterioration.
Ramaphosa was particularly embarrassed that the metro’s deterioration was displayed to foreign ministers of G20 countries during their meeting in the city. The ANC president announced the establishment of a presidential Johannesburg task team shortly afterwards to address service delivery issues in the city.

Finance Minister Enoch Godongwana also wrote to Morero last month, asking for an explanation of how Johannesburg would recover R24.4 billion in “unauthorised, irregular, fruitless and wasteful expenditure”.
Moreover, it is expected that Morero will be challenged next month at an ANC elective conference for the ANC Johannesburg chairmanship by the popular Loyiso Masuku. The winner of the battle will most likely be the party’s mayoral candidate in Johannesburg.

Provinces’ outlook​

Things do not look much better for the ANC in Gauteng’s two other metros. In Tshwane, the ANC polls at 27% (-8), while the DA is at a solid 48% (+16). The Freedom Front Plus (FF+) stands at 9% (+1) and the EFF at 7% (-3).
The DA announced Cilliers Brink, the former Tshwane mayor, as its mayoral candidate last week. If the parties of Brink and Corné Mulder, FF+ leader, can build on their support in the DA polling, they could form a coalition government in Tshwane. ActionSA, which holds the mayoral seat in Tshwane in a coalition with the ANC and the EFF, stands at 2% (-7).

In Ekurhuleni, which the ANC has described as its flagship municipality, the party stands at 19% (-19), while the DA is at 41% (+13). The EFF is at 12% (-1) and MKP at 11%.
It is not only in Gauteng where the ANC’s support is falling. The DA polling shows that, even in the eThekwini Metro, it has fallen back from being the largest party in 2021 to only the third largest.

The ANC stands at only 14% (-28), the DA at 44% (+18), and the MKP at 31%, having overtaken it. The IFP is at 8%. This ANC implosion comes after the party managed only the third most support (15%) in eThekwini in last year’s polls.
In Cape Town, the DA stands strong with 61% (+8) of the support. The ANC has 19% (-3) support, with Gayton McKenzie’s Patriotic Alliance having the third most support in Cape Town with 9% (+5). It is widely expected that Geordin Hill-Lewis, the mayor, will again be the DA’s candidate.

The DA’s metro polling was launched about two months ago and each has 250 demographically representative respondents who are all registered voters. It will be updated fortnightly until the municipal elections. The polls have a margin of error of 8% and are modelled for a voter turnout of 56% and a 14-day moving average.
According to DA sources, the polling may be somewhat unreliable for smaller parties due to the larger margin of error, but trends over a longer period will be accurate for larger parties.
According to both ANC and DA sources, the polls are not a prediction and the ANC’s support grows considerably when it begins its election campaigns.

A member of the ANC’s national executive committee, who serves in government, says the DA data favour Steenhuisen’s party, but he adds that the ANC also recently received a report showing that the party is “deep in trouble”.
According to the Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection’s latest coalition barometer II report, the ANC will only have majority support in two provinces, Limpopo and the Eastern Cape, in 2029.
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It's going to get fun Brit.
 
Agent69 said:
It's going to get fun Brit.
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The scary part,

Moreover, it shows that the DA is now just one percentage point behind the ANC.
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www.da.org.za

Just 7% now separates DA and ANC nationally

In a significant development, the DA proudly announces that the gap between our party and the ANC has narrowed to unprecedented levels. The DA is now just 7 points behind the ANC, with the DA securing 32% and the ANC at 39% support from all registered voters.
www.da.org.za
 
Major Boredom said:
OK , maybe they can get a 1%er party now
wait for the arguments to start ....

On a lighter note may be good for small parties to join. Most of them are ANC breakaway's anyway

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Yayyy, finally the DA bitter exes and journos have a party to call their own...

Also:
The new political bloc was also in talks with ActionSA to join the new coalition but party leader, Herman Mashaba pulled out.
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I get it, he'll actually have to contest elections and work with others instead of giving orders.
 
TheChamp said:
The scary part,



www.da.org.za

Just 7% now separates DA and ANC nationally

In a significant development, the DA proudly announces that the gap between our party and the ANC has narrowed to unprecedented levels. The DA is now just 7 points behind the ANC, with the DA securing 32% and the ANC at 39% support from all registered voters.
www.da.org.za
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Don't be mad at me lol

Remember how ANC was going to hold a majority? Despite consistent polling saying no? It's fine.
 
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