SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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Agent69 said:
I won't even bother sharing the article... Just the usual Mbalula drooling and "We WiLL NoT Be BULLIED" type strongman talk...
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There is one thing with sharing for the lols, the bit where he says that the GNU is responsible for pushing ANC policy...
 
www.dailymaverick.co.za

MP Ian Cameron's self-defence shooting incident sparks legal and ethical debate

The smash-and-grab attack on parliamentary police committee chairperson Ian Cameron’s vehicle, resulting in him shooting one of his assailants, prompts serious inquiries into the appropriate application of force and the approach MPs adopt when operating in high-risk zones.
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Vaguely politically motivated, but wtf is with this obsession of trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy in this country.
 
ToxicBunny said:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

MP Ian Cameron's self-defence shooting incident sparks legal and ethical debate

The smash-and-grab attack on parliamentary police committee chairperson Ian Cameron’s vehicle, resulting in him shooting one of his assailants, prompts serious inquiries into the appropriate application of force and the approach MPs adopt when operating in high-risk zones.
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za

Vaguely politically motivated, but wtf is with this obsession of trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy in this country.
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If it was ANC MP who was thrown bricks at in one of the townships, you would be the first to celebrate. LOL.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
If it was ANC MP who was thrown bricks at in one of the townships, you would be the first to celebrate. LOL.
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Doubtful, but ok Bobby.

But then again if it was an ANC MP, they would have a huge VIP detail so nobody would have gotten close enough to throw bricks.
 
ToxicBunny said:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

MP Ian Cameron's self-defence shooting incident sparks legal and ethical debate

The smash-and-grab attack on parliamentary police committee chairperson Ian Cameron’s vehicle, resulting in him shooting one of his assailants, prompts serious inquiries into the appropriate application of force and the approach MPs adopt when operating in high-risk zones.
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za

Vaguely politically motivated, but wtf is with this obsession of trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy in this country.
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While bricks were hurled at his vehicle, an act that could reasonably be seen as life-threatening and prompting the use of a firearm in self-defence, the assailants themselves were apparently not armed, and their exact intent remains unclear. Only a police probe, followed by referral to a senior prosecutor, will determine whether there might be a prima facie case against Cameron.
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When someone is bricking Vincent's face he must be sure to stop and ask them what their exact intent is :cool:
 
ToxicBunny said:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

MP Ian Cameron's self-defence shooting incident sparks legal and ethical debate

The smash-and-grab attack on parliamentary police committee chairperson Ian Cameron’s vehicle, resulting in him shooting one of his assailants, prompts serious inquiries into the appropriate application of force and the approach MPs adopt when operating in high-risk zones.
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za

Vaguely politically motivated, but wtf is with this obsession of trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy in this country.
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It wouldn't be the first time ANC deploys okes against DA people in CPT townships...
 
ToxicBunny said:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

MP Ian Cameron's self-defence shooting incident sparks legal and ethical debate

The smash-and-grab attack on parliamentary police committee chairperson Ian Cameron’s vehicle, resulting in him shooting one of his assailants, prompts serious inquiries into the appropriate application of force and the approach MPs adopt when operating in high-risk zones.
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za

Vaguely politically motivated, but wtf is with this obsession of trying to make the victim out to be the bad guy in this country.
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The parliamentary police committee chairperson, DA MP Ian Cameron, says he acted in self-defence when he shot one of the assailants who attacked his vehicle in Philippi, Cape Town, last week, but there are ongoing questions over whether the force was reasonable and whether he should have been carrying a firearm at all.


While bricks were hurled at his vehicle, an act that could reasonably be seen as life-threatening and prompting the use of a firearm in self-defence, the assailants themselves were apparently not armed, and their exact intent remains unclear. Only a police probe, followed by referral to a senior prosecutor, will determine whether there might be a prima facie case against Cameron.
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LMAO, typical. If he has a license and it was concealed, it is fine. And honestly, heading into the Cape Flats armed is probably a good idea.

Another crime expert, who requested to remain anonymous, used the example of a house robbery. He said the Firearm Act suggests that if someone breaks in armed with a weapon and fires at you, but misses, and you return fire, hitting the assailant, that would generally be considered a clear case of self-defence.


In the Cameron case, he said, there weren’t sufficient details to evaluate the situation and that there appeared to be conflicting versions of what happened.


“Bricks were thrown at the vehicle, but the intent behind the attack remains unclear – whether it was to scare them, get them to leave, rob them, steal the vehicle, or was murder the intent?”


The expert also noted that an initial media report shortly after the incident quoted Cameron saying he fired his weapon, but wasn’t sure if he hit anyone as they ran away.


“These kinds of cases need to be investigated, because it is unclear whether the group or person he shot was actually threatening his life. Because there were clearly some people who were throwing bricks at the vehicle, which could be interpreted as potentially threatening your life, and you could use your firearm. The point is they were not armed, and whether it was their intent,” he said.
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LOL, imagine your vehicle is being pelted with bricks and your fellow passengers are getting moered with said bricks, you (although you are armed and probably shitting yourself) have to stop and take a lekka think of "what their intent is" while throwing bricks at you.

The lunacy of our firearm and self-defence laws.

Activist and Good Party councillor in the City of Cape Town, Axolile Notywala, says this is a pressing question he is still grappling with.


“When I listened to the interviews with Cameron and the other MP, Gontsell, the way they were talking about how Cameron was able to defend themselves, it sounded very suspicious, it wasn’t the full story, they were narrating,” he said in an interview with Daily Maverick.


Notywala said he believed many questions needed answers.


“It is only the police or the courts that can be able to tell us whether it was appropriate for him to respond to a 18-year-old and 16-year-old carrying bricks to respond with shooting at them.”


Another question that concerned Notywala was why an MP, on official duty performing an oversight visit, was carrying a firearm, and whether this was something the public should expect from their elected representatives.


“Understanding the different contexts, whether dangerous or not, is this something that must be allowed for MPs? If so, what about MPLs at provincial level, or councillors at local level? Are we now creating an environment where public officials carry firearms? What message does that send to the public?”


Notywala indicated that, to his knowledge as a City of Cape Town councillor, “If I’m doing oversight work and at any point I enter a dangerous community, or feel unsafe, I have the right to alert the speaker. The speaker can then make the necessary arrangements for my safety – that is what I know at the local level.”
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True to form, raging racist Notywala infers that Cameron is lying.
“It is only the police or the courts that can be able to tell us whether it was appropriate for him to respond to a 18-year-old and 16-year-old carrying bricks to respond with shooting at them.”
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If they pose a threat to you, which they did to Cameron and co., you should be able to defend yourself and not "think of the children".
Another question that concerned Notywala was why an MP, on official duty performing an oversight visit, was carrying a firearm, and whether this was something the public should expect from their elected representatives.
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If it is concealed carry and he has a licence, it is cool.
Notywala indicated that, to his knowledge as a City of Cape Town councillor, “If I’m doing oversight work and at any point I enter a dangerous community, or feel unsafe, I have the right to alert the speaker. The speaker can then make the necessary arrangements for my safety – that is what I know at the local level.”
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****ing lol, imagine you are getting pelted with bricks in a life or death situation, and your only resort is to "alert the speaker". Comedy.

Something I love about this DM article is how they are trying so hard to spin Cameron as the bad guy here...
 
Agent69 said:
LMAO, typical. If he has a license and it was concealed, it is fine. And honestly, heading into the Cape Flats armed is probably a good idea.


LOL, imagine your vehicle is being pelted with bricks and your fellow passengers are getting moered with said bricks, you (although you are armed and probably shitting yourself) have to stop and take a lekka think of "what their intent is" while throwing bricks at you.

The lunacy of our firearm and self-defence laws.


True to form, raging racist Notywala infers that Cameron is lying.

If they pose a threat to you, which they did to Cameron and co., you should be able to defend yourself and not "think of the children".

If it is concealed carry and he has a licence, it is cool.

****ing lol, imagine you are getting pelted with bricks in a life or death situation, and your only resort is to "alert the speaker". Comedy.

Something I love about this DM article is how they are trying so hard to spin Cameron as the bad guy here...
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Don't you just love it when they get a taste of their own medicine? the DA is the one that was moaning that police are killing too many suspects in KZN, now Cameron is being second guessed on how he acted under a threat to his life the same way the DA was second guessing police officers.
 
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