SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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ForceFate said:
The tariffs are largely based on a hunch or used to steer ZA's foreign policy away from China. It's similar to gang of extortionists or protection rackets killing your dog and leaving the carcass on your door with clear signs and inscription on who did it and why
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South Africa doesn't have a god given right to participate in the US economy.
 
Major Boredom said:
There are a number of things.

1. Foreign Policy and SA's love for China/Iran/Terrorism groups and then the Minority persecution driven by laws and policy
2. Trade Defecit which SA obv likes , but the usa doesnt
2. MAGA and his election promises
Like it or not from a USA pov the tarriff thing is exactly what he promised in his election manifesto.
It is coming back to MAGA. He wants manufacturing to move back to USA. With 30% it does not make sense to manufacture cars amoungst other in SA. It make mroe sense to shut down here and expand / open factories in USA.
Unemployment is allready down in USA. proving what he is doing is right from his pov.
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Dont forget BEE, Trump clearly said trade barriers which is BEE.
 
R13... said:
You're being deliberately obtuse. There's nothing that says anything other than the trade imbalance was used in working out the tariff number. You only need look at all the other countries' tariffs to see it, it's not hard to deduce. This other noise out of the right wing and other related agitators is just wishes.
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And there is nothing there saying it is ONLY as you say. These things never happen in a silo. Yes teh formulae may be based purely on trade balance, but the decision to include SA could have been a wide variety of factors.
Wanting to label left/right wing... Well it is in the left wings interest to label it as purely trade imbalance. Easier to sell to 30%ers that
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Not being insensitive. Just a realist .....
I understand pretty well the effects of what this means ....
Just because I dont believe things happen in silo's doesnt mean I am slow to understand ...
It just means I think you dont understand what makes the world go round.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Its telling that governance, accountability and participatory democracy are 2nd last on the list, and food security is last.
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The last line has a problem, those two are not buddies. Zimbabwe proved this and yet our experts think they'll do it right?
 
R13... said:
None of that factored in this tarrifs decision though. Stop trying to retcon it.
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If it gives him comfort that his sugar daddy trump gave ANC a clap by slapping 30% tariff then why not let him enjoy his delusions ?
 
ToxicBunny said:
Its telling that governance, accountability and participatory democracy are 2nd last on the list, and food security is last.
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It's exactly what Steenhuisen said it is, just another talk shop about stuff that's been talked about to death before. The ANC is basically using the other parties to give them legitimacy, and effectively campaign on their behalf. They were hoping to say "look even the DA is committed to our plan"...
 
ToxicBunny said:
Zim didn't do it right, the ANC will. Much like Communism, its never been done right before but we'll do it right.
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Mike Hoxbig said:
It's exactly what Steenhuisen said it is, just another talk shop about stuff that's been talked about to death before. The ANC is basically using the other parties to give them legitimacy, and effectively campaign on their behalf. They were hoping to say "look even the DA is committed to our plan"...
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Yup, I thought that was the case initially but was sort of hedging that bet... but its beyond obvious this is just a talk shop and feeding frenzy for the ANC and nothing else.
 
ForceFate said:
The tariffs are largely based on a hunch or used to steer ZA's foreign policy away from China. It's similar to gang of extortionists or protection rackets killing your dog and leaving the carcass on your door with clear signs and inscription on who did it and why
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You have to be a proper ostrich or just pretending, to not know the problems by now and what is driving the tariffs between US/SA.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Yup, I thought that was the case initially but was sort of hedging that bet... but its beyond obvious this is just a talk shop and feeding frenzy for the ANC and nothing else.
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It explains why ANC are raging as hard as they are over DA withdrawing. Without DA, whether they or others like it, the Dialogue has no legitimacy. I doubt EFF and MK would participate... The unions are against it. And it isn't exactly legitimate if only they attend alongside an aligned foundation or two and their small GNU partners...

This is ANC's final gamble to not crash into oblivion at the polls next year. And that's why they're trying so hard. Also, another note about the rage towards DA... Cornered animals and all that...
 
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