SA Politics Thread Part 12

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The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
You criticise the DA for not competing in township wards in by elections yet they are doing so next week and you now say they are so desperate. Make up your mind. I will laugh my ass off of the DA somehow gets into double figures here.
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Oh no, I am not saying it now, I have always thought the DA stands for desperate alliance, but in this case I am pointing out Brink's desperation in particular.
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
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What's interesting is that these paid propaganda pieces have been receiving very little to no traction this time around. That is surprising since they used to dominate the news cycle and were digested wholesale by the public in prior election periods.

I wonder what has changed. Have things got so bad that people have finally realized that these "opinion pieces" are fake news propaganda? Who in their right mind can attempt to argue that Zille is a bad choice for mayor of JHB, given the current lay of the land. It makes absolutely zero sense
 
TheChamp said:
The fact that Cilliers Brink can fix a pothole now that he is no longer a Mayor.
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There are a lot of initiatives that are taking place to do services not being supplied by incompetence ANC metro's

Here is one in my area funded by locals and businesses

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Amazing what a little effort can do
Now imagine if the fat f lazy arses that are actually being paid to do this work actually did some work


This just looks like Desperate deflection by yourself
 
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Cyril has been ignoring his partners for 5 months. So typical. Ignores them, and he and ANC do what they want.

The delusions that they still have a majority, or 66%, as with GNU 1...

The party leaders in the government of national unity (GNU) are becoming increasingly frustrated because Pres. Cyril Ramaphosa is not keeping his promises to meet with them more regularly. The leaders last met with the president 143 days ago.

Leaders of the DA, FF Plus, Rise Mzansi and Good believe that more frequent meetings will enable them to establish a common government program that will better coordinate cooperation in the cabinet and parliament. Moreover, they believe that many of the differences between the parties can be resolved this way.

John Steenhuisen, DA leader and Minister of Agriculture, says it is becoming increasingly clear to him that the president does not want to meet with his coalition partners.

“He promised that there would be a forest summit or a lekgotla for party leaders where we could get to know each other better, but nothing has come of it,” says Steenhuisen.

Steenhuisen says his proposal for a so-called “whiskey caucus” between him and Ramaphosa to improve their relationship also did not bear fruit.

He therefore just laughed when he read in journalist Mandy Wiener’s new book, The Deal, this past week that Ramaphosa complains about there being no “magic” between him and the DA leader.

Ramaphosa says in the book, among other things, that he does not have as good a relationship with Steenhuisen as he did with Roelf Meyer, the NP’s Codesa negotiator at the time.

However, Steenhuisen says it is “terribly frustrating to get something as simple as a 20-minute meeting” arranged with the president.

“It is clear that he is content to run the government through the cabinet, but that is not what we were promised. This makes it extremely difficult for the parties to find a joint way forward when it comes to legislation in parliament,” says Steenhuisen.

“There is just no forum for us to be able to talk to each other.”

Asked how often he thinks the party leaders should meet, Steenhuisen jokes that he would even take once a month. “Anything that’s better than what we have now.”

Steenhuisen points out that he would like to appoint a replacement for Andrew Whitfield, who was fired as deputy minister of trade, industry and competition in June, but he cannot get a meeting with Ramaphosa to approve the replacement.

“It’s his prerogative who should serve in the executive branch, so I would obviously want to clarify that with him first rather than just announce a name.”

Ramaphosa told the SABC last week that he was waiting for Steenhuisen to give a name.

Dr. Corné Mulder, leader of the FF Plus, has also been struggling to get access to Ramaphosa since July after he visited the US, while his party, like the DA, is also boycotting the national dialogue.

Mulder says that when he reached out to the president for a meeting after his visit to the US, he was told that he should rather reach out to the department of trade, industry and competition.

“It makes you doubt and you start to ask yourself what the point of the RNE is. Shouldn’t you just walk?”

He believes that the party leaders in the RNE should meet at least every two weeks.

Meanwhile, Gayton McKenzie, Minister of Sport, Arts and Culture and leader of the Patriotic Alliance (PA), is threatening to leave the RNE by tomorrow because the ANC refuses to heed his demand to re-appoint the PA’s deputy president, Kenny Kunene, as mayoral committee member for transport in Johannesburg.

The last meeting between party leaders in the RNE was on 8 May, a week before Ramaphosa and a government delegation travelled to the US for a visit to the White House. The meeting took place in the midst of the RNE’s third attempt to get its first budget approved and was held at Mahlamba Ndlopfu, the president’s official residence in Pretoria.

The meeting lasted about three hours, with Ramaphosa first briefing party leaders on his upcoming visit to the White House, before Finance Minister Enoch Godongwana joined them for dinner to iron out differences regarding the budget.

According to several party leaders in the RNE, it was agreed at that meeting in May that they would meet with the president more regularly. Patricia de Lille, Good leader and Minister of Tourism, was even asked to identify a location where party leaders could retreat for a forest summit. But although De Lille has apparently already made suggestions about a possible location for such a summit, nothing has come of it.

In addition, the RNE’s dispute resolution committee has still not approved a terms of reference to be able to do its work.

Mulder says it is clear that Ramaphosa is “at peace” with the parties in his government.

“There is a saying: Unknown is unloved. And it is clear that the president does not want to get to know us. That is why the
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government is currently operating in silos,” says Mulder.

“Pieter (Groenewald, FF Plus minister of correctional services) is doing his thing with the prisons. Leon (Schreiber, DA minister) is doing his thing with home affairs, Gayton is doing his thing with sport, but we are not pulling together in one direction.”

Brett Herron, secretary-general of De Lille’s Good, says they agree that the leaders and the dispute committee “need to meet more, and not just when there is a crisis.”

Mabine Seabe, spokesperson for Rise Mzansi, which does not have cabinet representation, says the real problem is that there is no joint agreement between all the parties in the RNE.

“The RNE is an experiment and we cannot expect it to be perfect, but we also have to be honest in our analysis: There are currently nine parties that have an individual agreement with the ANC.”

He believes that too much energy is being spent managing disputes between the ANC and the DA, the second largest coalition partner.

The DA and the ANC have repeatedly butted heads over issues such as Ramaphosa’s signing of the controversial Expropriation Act, the ANC’s unilateral decision to increase VAT by two percentage points, Ramaphosa’s decision to remove Whitfield as deputy minister for travelling to the US without permission, and the DA’s subsequent decision to boycott the national dialogue.

Regarding the squabbles between the ANC and the DA, Seabe says: “This is not how we can move the country forward. We need a single agreement, signed by everyone, with mutual obligations to each other.”

Rise Mzansi also believes that there should be “regular and scheduled meetings” of all RNE party leaders. The party is advocating for an RNE lekgotla to iron out interpersonal issues and says these meetings should culminate in the signing of a genuine coalition agreement and policy programme.

The party also believes that the dispute committee should meet at least once a month.

The dispute committee met last Friday during which inputs were received for the committee’s terms of reference. However, this has not yet been accepted.

The presidency, the IFP, UDM and the PAC did not respond to queries.
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Agent69 said:

Cyril has been ignoring his partners for 5 months. So typical. Ignores them, and he and ANC do what they want.

The delusions that they still have a majority, or 66%, as with GNU 1...
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Let's be real, the only reason this is happening is because they (ANC) know there is no viable alternative to this for the other parties without including enfant terrible EFF/MK. Therefore, they do what they like...

But that's ok. It's going to end in tears for them.
 
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