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not going to happen, the Afrikaner pride is something we are extremely proud of, I think the first book we read were on the great trek in school, there is no way you are going to convince most of them to drop their conservative values or their children for that matter.

Again what you are describing is brainwashing. Indoctrinating young kids. Is that the right way to build a culture? The Afrikaaner is a relatively new creation in the history of the world, so what is the big deal and what is so great.

In holland they have both frieslanders and nederlanders, the languages are similar but they have their own pride. The same goes for Switzerland,

Sorry but that is a rather feeble counter argument. You hardly hear much about the Frieslanders and their pride over the Dutch except for here and there. I have heard of the differences before but at the end of the day its hardly compares to the way the Afrikaaners think. You don't see people fighting it out all the time and its pretty much an old little debate and pointless in modern society.

People have responsible pride in europe.

To use the different cultures of Europe to defend Afrikaaner pride just doesn't hold up. How come when you get white supremacy groups in Europe or Afrikaaners in SA then the Frieslander and Dutch differences suddenly evaporate.

Why don't the Afrikaaners argue with eachother over who has Dutch and who has Frisian roots and who is better. No suddenly they become one integrated "race" called the Afrikaaner.

Look how Europe now pretty much has one currency?

Throughout the age its been proven that different races just dont mix, the cultural difference is just to big in SA, We live in a racially devided society and will remain so for a long time. The Afrikaner doesn't want to intergrate (mix) with other races at the fear of losing his own pride.

Yes in the past when ignorance was bliss it was indeed problematic for cultures to mix. Ignorance bred fear. But with increased scientfic knowledge and technology we are starting to learn how alike we are and the world is uniting.

Has not the integration of Europe into the EU been a good thing.
That is just a one sided narrow minded view of looking at it.
I am not only refering to darker races here. At worste, they mix with the English ( even after 100 years the Afrikaner cannot move onwards)

So you admit that darker races and now the English are also ****. All because of a war that was fought a hundred years ago. :wtf:

Why so much dam hatred to everyone else. No wonder the world isolated SA in the past and made fun of us through movies like Lethal Weapon 2.
of course they did, but they tried to hide it, through the Afrikaner's existence nationalism and segregation has been its pride.

There has always been the secret love of the dark meat. It was an inconvenient truth. A lot of Afrikaaners don't have European features if you look closely, flat noses, curly hair, you can breed the white skin again but the facial features still remain.
We believe that we can be just as effective if we manage our own resources, manage ourself and our own society. We do not believe in a mixture, not because we always see other races as incompetent, its just not the Afrikaner way of thinking.

Again an outdated and ignorant way of looking at things. Based upon fear which is in turn the product of ignorance over generations and propagated by religious institutions in the name of God.

Ironic how you don't believe in mixture when your own people are a mixture of the different sub groups from Europe that you alluded to earlier.

Our point is that we do not like to mix with others. Good luck convincing the germans to mix with the frence (they are next door neighbours after all) Or the English and the Frence, The dutch and the vrieslanders...The Sweeds and the Norwegians. The Xhosa and the Zulu ( we saw what this did to the ANC).

Dutch + Frieslanders + French = Afrikaaners :wtf: or was I taught the wrong stuff in school. Your vary stance contradicts your true roots.
Mixture doesn't work, even in the US the south and the north is still greatly divided. The Indians and the Americans don't work to well. In Canada the frence in Quebec wanted to become independent not so long go. Its just prove that mixture and intergration doesnt work, simply because of a difference in thinking and culture.

I can give you lots of other examples.

I will agree with you on that like I say its changing because times are changing. Ignorance is no longer as blissful as it once was and things are indeed getting better.

At the end of the day the way of thinking purportrated is old and outdated and silly and is based upon ignorance. But you can't hate the person for thinking like that because they were brainwashed.

How does it feel to go around everyday knowing that you were brainwashed.

This kind of attitude is holding the country back. But ulitmately it will dry up as the younger people start to realize how fickle it all is. Until then we will get fanatics preaching their views and rallying people around them who have nothing better to do than hate.
 
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If it wasn't for the afrikaner forefathers we wouldn't have mixed races surely.

no kidding, back then the family came from Europe the madam couldn't get use to the heat so she left SA, the maid took her place. And also the slave trade had a lot to do with a large coloured population in SA. There is no denying it.

What consequences?
My ma is wit, my pa is swart. Wat is ek?....

usually both families reject the couple and the child. In SA the consequences will be that the child will grow up in an SA society where he is seen as a coloured. It would be rather naive to expect the entire SA to see themselves as one nation, its not going to happen for the next 3 generations at least. I think this is quite a cruel punishment for that child.
 
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How does it feel to go around everyday knowing that you were brainwashed.
I actually grew up in a very liberal family, conservative neighbourhood. Not many of us fit in the Afrikaner "vir Volk en Vaderland" pride speech, but this is just the way kids are taught to think. You can't really accuse the Afrikaner of brainwashing their children, its not a cult the believe that different things don't mix, as simple as that its their way, as outdated as it might seem. If they do mix then their language and heritage is at risk.

They have their place and we have our place, we both can co-exist.
 
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I actually grew up in a very liberal family, conservative neighbourhood. Not many of us fit in the Afrikaner "vir Volk en Vaderland" pride speech, but this is just the way kids are taught to think. You can't really accuse the Afrikaner of brainwashing their children, its not a cult the believe that different things don't mix, as simple as that its their way, as outdated as it might seem. If they do mix then their language and heritage is at risk.

They have their place and we have our place, we both can co-exist.

i think many afrikaners have really good values, but for some it seems it blows right over their head. i can think of plenty of good examples of what an afrikaner should be, and plenty of people who are terrible representations. at the end of the day people are individuals and will be different. i personally just feel like a lot of afrikaners having racial pride leads to more racism, but on one side the english speaking people in this country have almost no racial pride.

i'm sure there are plenty of people who have mixed already and their heritage and language is still intact. :)
 
i think many afrikaners have really good values, but for some it seems it blows right over their head. i can think of plenty of good examples of what an afrikaner should be, and plenty of people who are terrible representations. at the end of the day people are individuals and will be different. i personally just feel like a lot of afrikaners having racial pride leads to more racism, but on one side the english speaking people in this country have almost no racial pride.

i'm sure there are plenty of people who have mixed already and their heritage and language is still intact. :)

exactly, there are lots of Afrikaners who cant move on. some of us accept the fact the SA is a mixed society nowadays, but we are still racially divided when it comes to social mixing. the majority cant picture themselves having a braai with his black step son, or coloured grand child. Its just unthinkable to them.

I do agree that the values provoke racism, but you will find that the majority of them who use it as racism are idiots. Most of them don't have a clue of what they are talking about.

quite a few English speaking people still consider themselves to be British or English once they get robbed, but they are South African when we win the world cup.
 
You are not kind of prejudiced, are you?!

Yup. Prejudiced against ingnorance.

I just don' think there's something so great about keeping your culture , when you're culture is one that propogates the idea that other people are your enemy and to be hated.
 
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