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2) You can't compare an ENTIRE COUNTRY with one city! That's insane!
Most of the people who commented on the article, think otherwise, and think it was quite an accurate depiction.

3) Whoever drops by unannounced at my house here in SA will leave disappointed.
Fine. But what makes you think you are the norm in SA? It's like saying, because I peek through the peephole before opening the front door, everyone in SA also does it. :rolleyes:
 
It's all these bloody liberals on News24. The editor (Chris Roper) is the biggest suck-up to the ANC

Strange, because whenever there is some negative news about 2010, they word the headline title and text so that it sounds even worse. How is that in line with sucking up to the ANC and its pro-2010 sentiments? :confused:
 
Strange, because whenever there is some negative news about 2010, they word the headline title and text so that it sounds even worse. How is that in line with sucking up to the ANC and its pro-2010 sentiments? :confused:

They of course have to have some 'bad' news. They're not as bad as the SANC, but it gets pretty close. Skinner, please show me one columnist on News24 who says that he feels like emigrating/thinks SA is turning into Zim 2.0. This is the second article in less than a week on how bad London is and how good SA is. I suppose they are writing for their audience (check the comments - they're all part of the 'ivory tower' generation. Everything is great in my life so why should it be any different for anyone else? :rolleyes: )
 
I find it humorous to see how someone can claim to be right because their opinion is shared by at least one other person. Never mind actually discussing any of the points raised.
 
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I lived in the UK for 2 years, had a REALLY good time. Traveled alot, made money etc

I can go back but to tell you the truth, if my ticket was booked for next week to head back...I would be EXTREMELY bummed.
 
I find it humorous to see how someone can claim to be right because their opinion is shared by at least one other person. Never mind actually discussing any of the points raise.


I only tried that once on this forum and I learnt very quickly from my mistake.
 
I lived in the UK for 2 years, had a REALLY good time. Traveled alot, made money etc

I can go back but to tell you the truth, if my ticket was booked for next week to head back...I would be EXTREMELY bummed.

Why :confused:

Surely security for you and your loved one(s) are of most importance? I can't see good weather and having lots of friends here or open spaces can trump that?
 
Why :confused:

Surely security for you and your loved one(s) are of most importance? I can't see good weather and having lots of friends here or open spaces can trump that?

I think what he meant was that going to London or leaving SA for that matter should not be the one and only solution to one's security concerns in SA.
 
I think what he meant was that going to London or leaving SA for that matter should not be the one and only solution to one's security concerns in SA.

It is the only way to improve your security situation. Crime is SA does not discriminate - anybody, any time, anywhere in SA.
 
Yip was waiting for that answer. I think there's enough proof now that Skinner, as suggested, is also an ANC member.

Huh? Jon Qwelane is always commenting against the government / ANC.

I suppose you think anyone who is pro-SA, are ANC members? That's quite a serious accusation to make.
 
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Life in London is hard work, and it's expensive. There may be a world of cultural and epicurean opportunities available to everyone who lives there, but they cost so much that they can't be taken advantage of that often. And as soon as they have kids, people have less time and less money, and babysitters are so expensive, that they actually never leave the house.

London was way easier than here! Especially when it comes to finding work. It is expensive but there are so many ways of saving money or shopping cheaper. With shops like Netto and co-op etc. I bought craploads more there than here when doin groceries...

The weather is terrible. It's there every day. Every day, the dank, damp, endless grayness casts a shroud over London. It's miserable. Aside from the impact this has on mood, the laundry never dries.
Actually, in summer the weather is amazing. THe sun only goes down at 10pm, often we'd get home from work and go to the park or woteva, sip some beers and enjoy sumshine for a few hours before going home to chill. The laundry does dry, is this woman retarded? We used to put our clothes by(not on) the heaters or radiators. I was like 20, first time living by myself and i figured it out...And the clothes there are so much warmer than ours.

The weather is a big factor, because in London there is no space, so a family of four might live in the equivalent of a starter apartment in South Africa. The entire interior space is perpetually draped with laundry, because it won't dry in the fine drizzle perpetually soaking whatever postage stamp of exterior place the home might have.
We stayed in a 3 bedroom terraced house, the third room was tiny but the other were way bigger than ours. This lady really paints a *** picture...

So you want to get out, and you can, but you need to don a rain coat, take an umbrella, put the rain cover down on your child's pram, and then you wonder haplessly in your local park (because getting on the public transport in this get up is pretty intolerable and no one drives in London), where you can't do anything much anyway, because all of this paraphernalia doesn't lend itself to unbridled romping in the fields.
She probably has no friends nor imagination...I always had something to do or somewhere to go

The public transport is great, and as a visitor to London, for me, the novelty hasn't worn off. I ride the tubes for the joy of riding the tubes (and locals think I'm odd). But I could see how having a daily route to work, in peak times that required me to be sardined into a cramped and often smelly space with a thousand other bored commuters could start to get me down. Londoners hate the tubes, and with a little imagination, it's not hard to see why.
I do agree there tho lol, altho id way rather ride their public transport than ours...

And as convenient as the public transport might seem, it does limit you to your own area. Best friends who live at opposite ends of London don't see each other for months because the idea of traveling the distance is unbearable. And if you don't make arrangements months in advance, you won't even get to see the people in your own area - that's just how London works.
True, big pain in the ass, especially living in zone5 and travelling to central london for a jol. The trains stop working at 11pm and the bus ride took like 2 hours...

There's no popping in for a braai when the fancy takes you, no dropping in because you were in the area, and no casual phone calls to say, "we're having breakfast down the road, why don't you join us?"
Again, not enough friends

Be part of the solution

Then there's South Africa. As a nation, we have huge problems - there's no denying it. But we're also a country with so much potential. I want to stay here and be part of the solution, part of a country that can show the rest of the world that democracy can work in Africa, and decisions can be made for the good of everyone.

And people talk about the racism (from both sides), and the crime, and the financial uncertainty, but I think that most South Africans are an optimistic bunch who just want what's best for their country.

On my first evening back home, I took my dog for a walk in my local park. As we made our way along the trail, I encountered so many people - black and white - who make eye contact, smile and say hi. This is in stark contrast to London, where a greeting is met with suspicion, or if it's returned, a curt nod of the head is all that will be proffered.

I felt great to be home, among people who really do want to make a connection. We're going to be OK. We've just got to try to get the national mood up.

I do agree with her ending paragraphs
 
It is the only way to improve your security situation. Crime is SA does not discriminate - anybody, any time, anywhere in SA.
And what about the person that was repeatedly stabbed 10m outside of his/her home in London?
Read the comments underneath the article.

You make it sound like you have a 100% chance to become a victim of crime "anybody, any time, anywhere in SA".
 
Jon Qwelane?

Nice one - he was fired but I've had a quick look through his articles and most them are on transformation and being pro-black and all that nonsense. He's critical of the Mbeki government sure, but that's not the same as saying SA will become Zim 2.0
 
You make it sound like you have a 100% chance to become a victim of crime "anybody, any time, anywhere in SA".

Not 100% chance ole chap, close to 80% perhaps but guess what, it's a reality we live in, unlike you that sees it fit to flitter around overseas. But what's the diffs, 80% is close enough to 100%, it's just numbers. You have clearly never been a victim of crime.
 
Not 100% chance ole chap, close to 80%
Please provide proof of this figure. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a thumbsuck, ole chap.

You have clearly never been a victim of crime.
No and neither have most of the many, many South Africans (LIVING IN SA) I personally know. So you do know people that have been affected. Big deal - the mere fact that not 100% of the 44m people in SA are victims of crime, proves that the previous statement "crime will hit anyone, anywhere, anytime in SA" is utter bollocks.

So I'd much rather proactively do things for my personal circumstances in SA to increase my chances of falling part of the people that don't become victims of crime (and the fact that not 100% of all 44m people in SA are victims of crime, proves that this is possible), than to bugger off to sweaty-armpit-cramped-London or arse-end-of-the-world-NZ.
 
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And what about the person that was repeatedly stabbed 10m outside of his/her home in London?
Read the comments underneath the article.

You make it sound like you have a 100% chance to become a victim of crime "anybody, any time, anywhere in SA".

I did not say there was no crime this side. I said - "improve your security situation"

Most of the time they catch the guilty this side :) Can you say the same that side?

Well, considering I was a cop in SA and still have a few friends that are (and one of them works with the stats - yes, I did- you will become a victim of crime in SA in your life - It's the only thing the government can guarantee :)
 
Why :confused:

Surely security for you and your loved one(s) are of most importance? I can't see good weather and having lots of friends here or open spaces can trump that?

Yes, security is a concern in ANY country. Have you been to the England? Knife crime is hectic that side not to mention the youth there.
They are feral, stealing cars etc and they all want to be gangsters because they think its cool. I often saw adults fearful of teenagers. I saw more of examples of disgusting & despicable people there than here and Im a born and raised Durbanite.

Im saying, life is what you make of it. Adjust to the situation in which you live.
I hate waking up early but I ended up working the early shift. In winter it meant coming and going to work in darkness because the sun goes down at 4 in the afternoon but there were hardly any other people on the trains, no school kids (PAINFULL) no lines. It was cold but again, I had a jacket where I could wear vest underneath and be perfectly comfortable. Here in winter you have to layer your clothes, 3 shirts, 2 jerseys 2 socks etc. With the right clothes, it really is bearable.

But like I said, Im glad to be back and not making any future plans to go back...Every month I have a friend or 2 leaving to go somewhere like UK or Dubai. I encourage them to go but I would never paint a *** picture as this person did about the UK. They really are jacked up in ALOT of things but their banking REALLY sux for example. (Like it takes 10-14 days to change your PIN code and they send it to in 2 envelopes on different days which got intercepted twice) cheque books also get stolen alot in the post...why they dont let you collect it from the bank is beyond me lol
 
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