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MeNeZ said:
(Like it takes 10-14 days to change your PIN code and they send it to in 2 envelopes on different days which got intercepted twice) cheque books also get stolen alot in the post...why they dont let you collect it from the bank is beyond me lol
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An when it works, it works well - like - 3 days for your new drivers license via post, 5 days for a new passport - delivered to your door via courier, Amazon CD's /DVD on your desk before 1pm the next day, not having to go into the bank to do everything - cheque books and credit cards delivered to your door etc.
 
wallace said:
I did not say there was no crime this side. I said - "improve your security situation"
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But digging a big hole in London in the ground and building a cellar out of it, and living in there forever with adequate supply of food and water, is also "improve your security situation" in London, and will stop you from being stabbed 10m outside of your London home. So what's your point? My point it, it is unnecessary to go to those lengths to be safe. Just as leaving SA in the first place can be unnecessary, depending on how you see things. What is "not safe enough" for you might be "safe enough" for others... catch my drift?

Most of the time they catch the guilty this side :)
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True but it does not stop the crime from happening. I'm pretty sure they've been managing to catch the criminals for many, many decades, still they pop out and stab someone 10m outside their London home. So, this does not really help.

Well, considering I was a cop in SA and still have a few friends that are (and one of them works with the stats - yes, I did- you will become a victim of crime in SA in your life - It's the only thing the government can guarantee :)
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I fail to see how you can come to this logical / proven "conclusion".
 
I agree with Turiko - closer to 80% than 100%.

Of course, I have this niggling feeling that each and every one of us had a crime perpetrated against us in the arms deal.
 
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wallace said:
An when it works, it works well - like - 3 days for your new drivers license via post, 5 days for a new passport - delivered to your door via courier, Amazon CD's /DVD on your desk before 1pm the next day, not having to go into the bank to do everything - cheque books and credit cards delivered to your door etc.
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You missed my point...I said they were jacked up in ALOT of things but something (like banking which you would expect to be 1st class) SUX!

Our banking system is way better, except for the ridiculous charges of course...
 
Skinner said:
True but it does not stop the crime from happening. I'm pretty sure they've been managing to catch the criminals for many, many decades, still they pop out and stab someone 10m outside their London home. So, this does not really help.
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It does seem to help. Compare the murder rate of the UK and SA?
 
MeNeZ said:
Yes, security is a concern in ANY country. Have you been to the England? Knife crime is hectic that side not to mention the youth there.
They are feral, stealing cars etc and they all want to be gangsters because they think its cool. I often saw adults fearful of teenagers. I saw more of examples of disgusting & despicable people there than here and Im a born and raised Durbanite.
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Exactly. Even in the "safest" of countries like Canada and NZ, there are murders, rapists, child molestors, thieves, you name it. No place on earth is safe, except if you are where no other human beings are for a considerable distance around you.

My point is, if you claim other countries are safer than SA, then by the same logic I will claim some places inside of SA are safer than other places inside of SA, since your logic relies on considerations spatially applied to a worldwide context, and I merely downscale the same consideration to a national (SA) context. The exception to this logic would be if human settlements and influences were uniformly distributed spatially across SA, i.e. population density and social demographics perfectly equal in each km2 of large SA, which is of course not the case.
 
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Exactly. Even in the "safest" of countries like Canada and NZ, there are murders, rapists, child molestors, thieves, you name it. No place on earth is safe, except if you are where no other human beings are for a considerable distance around you.

My point is, if you claim other countries are safer than SA, then by the same logic I will claim some places inside of SA are safer than other places inside of SA, since your logic relies on considerations spatially applied to a worldwide context, and I merely downscale the same consideration to a national (SA) context.
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I agree. It is unfortunately all about timing...wrong time, wrong place. I wonder how people living in Iraq feel...not only do they have to deal with crime but also suicide bombers, air strikes etc
 
MeNeZ said:
You missed my point...I said they were jacked up in ALOT of things but something (like banking which you would expect to be 1st class) SUX!

Our banking system is way better, except for the ridiculous charges of course...
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I am with Barclays Private banking in the UK and with Standard Bank Private banking in SA and they are similar in idea - but Barclays is better. I receive SO MUCH more for my monthly fee of £15. They include stuff like RAC cover for the UK and Europe, gadget insurance, emergency home insurance, annual unlimited travel insurance, access to airport lounges, no interest on your overdraft and the list goes on,

This week I called Barclays telephone banking and changed my home address over the phone - no need to go in for FICA crap. I also changed my address for my HSBC account - once again - not need to go in. :)
 
Now you see, that's something that is different. It highlights how service sucks in SA. And on the subject of this FICA crap, that was all forced on us by pressure from the Americans. I cannot see how it came about any other way.
 
One other point - DSTV does not even come close to SKY :) You will also find many of the shows you pay for on DSTV are free on FREESAT :)

Don't even get me started on ADSL this side :)
 
wallace said:
An when it works, it works well - like - 3 days for your new drivers license via post, 5 days for a new passport - delivered to your door via courier, Amazon CD's /DVD on your desk before 1pm the next day, not having to go into the bank to do everything - cheque books and credit cards delivered to your door etc.
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That's all relative.

If I tell you I know about a country where you would get your new drivers licence in personally delivered, 4 days for a new passport, Amazon CDs on the same day on your desk, etc... would you go there?

Waiting 2 months (in SA) for a new passport might not be acceptable to you. To me it would be. Would just require better planning on my side, but I would have no problem with it. And there are probably countries where you wait much longer for all the things you listed, than SA. So the people from those countries would have joy coming to SA where things go relatively quicker.

And remember - in countries where things happen fast, you are also expected to respond faster, especially with work deadlines etc. There is a price to pay.
 
DSTV sucks period, we are all aware of that. I am over 30 and I've never yet succumbed to the temptation to become a monochoice subscriber
 
Skinner said:
Again: percentages like these are ridiculously subjective, and without proper proof nothing more than a thumbsuck.
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You mean like your stats? ;)

Skinner said:
I read through all of the comments underneath the article, and it seems most people agree with the sentiments in the article (unlike on this forum). So in other words, they also agree with me. And there are lots of comments.
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wallace said:
One other point - DSTV does not even come close to SKY :) You will also find many of the shows you pay for on DSTV are free on FREESAT :)

Don't even get me started on ADSL this side :)
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TV is a much more integral part of life and business in Europe and other 1st world countries, that's why it was made so good and extensive.

Why would you want to sit in front of the TV all day long in South Africa?

As for internet - SA is catching up - very slowly but indeed catching up. Remember where internet was 10 years ago in SA? We've come a long way since 56k Dial-up :D
 
Turiko said:
Not 100% chance ole chap, close to 80% perhaps but guess what, it's a reality we live in, unlike you that sees it fit to flitter around overseas. But what's the diffs, 80% is close enough to 100%, it's just numbers. You have clearly never been a victim of crime.
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I see that the troll thinks that the chances of being a victim of crime is somewhere between 90% and 100%. Well, he suggests that - or perhaps he is just dumb. Too dumb to realise that all the percentages on a line from 0 to 89.9% are closer to 80% than they are to 100%.
 
wallace said:
I am with Barclays Private banking in the UK and with Standard Bank Private banking in SA and they are similar in idea - but Barclays is better. I receive SO MUCH more for my monthly fee of £15. They include stuff like RAC cover for the UK and Europe, gadget insurance, emergency home insurance, annual unlimited travel insurance, access to airport lounges, no interest on your overdraft and the list goes on,

This week I called Barclays telephone banking and changed my home address over the phone - no need to go in for FICA crap. I also changed my address for my HSBC account - once again - not need to go in. :)
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Wish I knew about that stuff when I was there, those bank ques were something else...

Sheesh, and what an arsepain it was to open the damned account in the first place...Its like they didnt want the business!
 
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