Sign up with GoogleI must have noted you are already there and occupied the only hole, so there was no more place for a decent human being.
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Saddam Hussein's execution filmed
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I must have noted you are already there and occupied the only hole, so there was no more place for a decent human being.
d0b33
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I wouldn't dare occupy your hole... I'm sure it's still available, why don't you try again... K
Sorry... K you still occupy it
See this http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=375165 for your own pleasure.
http://www.24.com/news/?p=worlda&i=374820
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How does rejoicing at another's death equal a decent human being? It doesn't. Full stop. Nada. No banana.
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kilo39,
The death penalty is not about killing, but about permanent removal from society. In the past, expulsion may have been an option but even then, if the person's deeds and motivation were especially heinous, guaranteeing permanent removal of the person is the only option.
The only other option is permanent incarceration in a facility that ensures the person has no influence, such as the supermax facility. The problem with long term incarceration is that there is always the risk that some idiot liberal government gains power and reduces the prisoner's isolation level, or even frees the prisoner. An example, in South Africa, even the most vile prisoners can vote. The fact that prisoners vote here, where they are incarcerated due to criminal behavior, shows what can happen when the power structure is owned by idiots.
The other problem with supermax facilities is that it is a terrible punishment. Complete isolation from all humans, something you have to understand before you can conceive just how bad that is. Most of those prisoners, when confronted with the option of life-long supermax or death, would choose death. It is that bad. That is also why I support supermax sentences over death penalty as a deterrent. Death is easy, a bit of fear, maybe pain and it over; at least that is how a criminal would rationalize it. Supermax is years and years and years of never speaking with another human being again. Food gets dropped through a slot and you are only allowed a very short time for exercise, alone. Once someone has experienced something like that, they would not dare risk doing anything that could send them back.
In short, the dp is not about deterrence or revenge, but about throwing out the trash. Human beings, on the other hand, will perceive it as they will.
Peace.
BWA,
Although I don't personally agree with you, I understand you're saying.
But no matter what your feelings on the neccessity of the death penalty - the death of another is never a suitable occasion for jubilation or rejoicing.
Google video: warning, graphic
Nice video. Some assurance he is really gone. No USA conspiracy..YET.
Well the US didn't execute him so I don't see what they would have to do with it anyway.
As for all the anti capital punishment and anti Bush crowd I have one thing to say :
You reap what you sow and I think it was just a case of the wheel turning for Saddam.
Saddam's ruthless governance was well known long before the US put soldier's boots on Iraqi soil.
Not that I agree that the US had any legitimate reason to "liberate" Iraq but that's off topic ...
P.S. I see there were a lot of jubilant Iraqi's when the news was released so it doesn't look like everyone regarded him as a benevolent dictator.
As for all the anti capital punishment and anti Bush crowd I have one thing to say :
You reap what you sow and I think it was just a case of the wheel turning for Saddam.
Saddam's ruthless governance was well known long before the US put soldier's boots on Iraqi soil.
Not that I agree that the US had any legitimate reason to "liberate" Iraq but that's off topic ...
P.S. I see there were a lot of jubilant Iraqi's when the news was released so it doesn't look like everyone regarded him as a benevolent dictator.
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What a load of crap! It's all about killing. Killing = death. When you enforce the death penalty it means somebody is being killed. Wake up!
It's funny how people apply double standards.
We do partial birth abortions and nobody complains about that yet here we sit with people who don't like a convicted murderer being executed.
What a joke ...
What are you on about? Why don't you tag along to an anti abortion rally before you make up more nonsense. There are several organisations who are making it their only mission to stop abortions.
http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=375290
Maybe this family must take pity on these murderers if ever they are caught. But off course they will not be hanged they will have free lodging with good expectation of an early release, legal or not. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY
Maybe this family must take pity on these murderers if ever they are caught. But off course they will not be hanged they will have free lodging with good expectation of an early release, legal or not. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY
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Sjoe
Jubilation or rejoicing does not belong, sure... if you rejoice in these situations, you need help. However, it's the deterrent and the possible saving of innocent lives that one needs to think about...
If the death penalty seems barbaric to some, it's only because we get to anticipate that criminal's death. Just because we can't anticipate a murdered person's death or can't do anything about it (from the murdered person's point of view) after the fact, does not mean that we shouldn't seriously consider the potential the law has to set an example of the murderer and prevent future crime. The law should be there to prevent hate crimes - the death penalty should never be a hate issue, but a law issue. The law is supposed to stop people wanting to commit crime or take revenge...
However... if the law is unjust or corrupt, then it obviuosly will not have the desired effect.
Jubilation or rejoicing does not belong, sure... if you rejoice in these situations, you need help. However, it's the deterrent and the possible saving of innocent lives that one needs to think about...
If the death penalty seems barbaric to some, it's only because we get to anticipate that criminal's death. Just because we can't anticipate a murdered person's death or can't do anything about it (from the murdered person's point of view) after the fact, does not mean that we shouldn't seriously consider the potential the law has to set an example of the murderer and prevent future crime. The law should be there to prevent hate crimes - the death penalty should never be a hate issue, but a law issue. The law is supposed to stop people wanting to commit crime or take revenge...
However... if the law is unjust or corrupt, then it obviuosly will not have the desired effect.
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Ok I worded that very badly - I know there are organizations but they seem to be in the minority and people seem to speak out against capital punishment far more than abortion.
The government received more than 775 000 letters against abortion in 30 days during the public comment period on this very issue before implementing abortion laws. During the same time period for the abolishment of the death penalty, fewer than 100 000 letters were received. I cite our own research in this regard (I work for a research company)
Just to add some fuel to the fire: more than a million people have voiced opinions for the reinstatement of the death penalty in the last year, including several judges.
You don't get to brush me with your generalisations. You know nothing about me or my beliefs other than I'm anti the death penalty. Why not ask me about my position before making such accusations?
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I just watched the grainy video of the hanging. Im not squeemish and I felt kinda numb. I didnt wOOt or rejoice. I didnt laugh or enjoy it.
While watching it I was reminded of a video I once saw on the net which showed Saddam and his henchmen walking around a courtyard filled with 'prisoners' Saddam would point one out and he would be dragged away from the huddling, terrified bunch and beaten severely with battons and sticks. When he had passed out from the pain and struggling they would move on to another, and another and another. All the while saddam was clearly enjoying the outing. That video made me sick and it's that video more than anything else that caused me to support the invasion of Iraq and removal of power of Saddam Hussein.
The Americans were doing it for profit, for sure. But I have always felt it was a means to an end. Let the American people decide their own foreign policy. We cant change it.
While watching it I was reminded of a video I once saw on the net which showed Saddam and his henchmen walking around a courtyard filled with 'prisoners' Saddam would point one out and he would be dragged away from the huddling, terrified bunch and beaten severely with battons and sticks. When he had passed out from the pain and struggling they would move on to another, and another and another. All the while saddam was clearly enjoying the outing. That video made me sick and it's that video more than anything else that caused me to support the invasion of Iraq and removal of power of Saddam Hussein.
The Americans were doing it for profit, for sure. But I have always felt it was a means to an end. Let the American people decide their own foreign policy. We cant change it.
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The world is a worse place for Saddam's death.
He was stuck in a kangaroo court and his 'execution' was nothing more than state sanctioned murder. And yet, that was the very thing he was on trial for. All the Iraqi government showed was that they were willing to pick up the mantle Saddam left behind.
I know he was a bad guy. But when anyone is murdered in the name of justice it diminishes us all.
(This is not to be taken as an anti-DP rant. Theoretically an execution can serve justice, but in this case it was not so.)
He was stuck in a kangaroo court and his 'execution' was nothing more than state sanctioned murder. And yet, that was the very thing he was on trial for. All the Iraqi government showed was that they were willing to pick up the mantle Saddam left behind.
I know he was a bad guy. But when anyone is murdered in the name of justice it diminishes us all.
(This is not to be taken as an anti-DP rant. Theoretically an execution can serve justice, but in this case it was not so.)