Samsung losing to Apple

[cerebus]

Of course it is. "Samsung losing to Apple" is misleading, when discussing lost market share. Especially when the benefactors of that market share are not Apple.
On all the other metrics- fine.

It's actually impossible to use marketshare as a way of supporting a premise that Samsung is losing at the low end and the high end - since marketshare doesn't distinguish between the high or low end of the market. It's a broad spectrum measure that honestly should hardly ever be used for anything meaningful. So you're quite right.

I've got a friend with iPhones and - although they know it's a basic entry device into 'smart' phone - they're perfectly happy with it because it phones, Facebooks and Whatsapps. I think if you realize it's not a true smartphone, you'll have with it.

Oh good heavens. Such facepalm.

 

[JStrike]

Also to what you want.

I've got a friend with iPhones and - although they know it's a basic entry device into 'smart' phone - they're perfectly happy with it because it phones, Facebooks and Whatsapps. I think if you realize it's not a true smartphone, you'll have with it.

I see you're pushing a particular definition of a smartphone as the "One True Definition".
And FYI, the 5S still outperforms pretty much everything else out there. So much for "basic entry device"

 

[SauRoNZA]

Not to mention the iPhone defined modern smartphones for what they are now.

So calling it a "basic" Smartphone is retarded.

Simplicity <> Basic. There is a very distinct difference.

Otherwise we would all be stuck on ****ty Blackberries or Windows Mobile devices with styli.

 

[Dolby]

Wait - why do you think the original iPhone was smart?
How exactly did it define 'smart'?

 

[cerebus]

Also just on a minor point that bugged me with the article - the S5's screen is not disappointing at all. It's probably the best screen on the market, until that QHD AMOLED panel or whatever Apple has in store for the iPhone6 arrives.

 

[cerebus]

Wait - why do you think the original iPhone was smart?
How exactly did it define 'smart'?

Oh look at that little bait and switch. From claiming that the iPhone isn't a true smartphone to claiming that the 1st generation iPhone wasn't smart because... no copy/paste or 3g support I'm guessing you're going to say.

 

[mercurial]

Come on, Dolby. Apple's iPhone started the smartphone revolution. Give credit where it's due... Also, Steve Jobs started the tablet revolution. Everyone laughed at him when he announced the iPad but look where we are today.

 

[BBotha]

I hate Samsung Bloatware, so no more Samsung Phones for me, thank you.

 

[Dolby]

How can you say a smart phone defined the smartphone category when it lacks basic smart phone features?

You may mock me about lack of 3G, copy/paste/ MMS and everything else that it lacked - but those are smartphone features? Saying that a device that lacked any real smart feature is retarded.

I bought a Treo 650 and 680 and the iPhone was more basic than any of those. Then went to a Samsung i780 because again, it was far more a smart phone than the original iPhone. Those I could work with when out on the road.

The iPhone has progressed into a smarter device, but I can't see how an unsmart original device defined the category at the start.

 

[Dolby]

that the 1st generation iPhone wasn't smart because... no copy/paste or 3g support I'm guessing you're going to say.

So why is it smart?
What is a smart device?

You'd think it was one device that could do quite a bit ; you wouldn't need other devices in it's place? Purely because of the lack of any real connection speed, you'd need a notebook extra.

 

[JStrike]

How can you say a smart phone defined the smartphone category when it lacks basic smart phone features?

You may mock me about lack of 3G, copy/paste/ MMS and everything else that it lacked - but those are smartphone features? Saying that a device that lacked any real smart feature is retarded.

I bought a Treo 650 and 680 and the iPhone was more basic than any of those. Then went to a Samsung i780 because again, it was far more a smart phone than the original iPhone. Those I could work with when out on the road.

The iPhone has progressed into a smarter device, but I can't see how an unsmart original device defined the category at the start.

Those features most certainly do not define a smartphone.
You are basing it on certain features that *you* like. I most certainly don't care about copy and paste or MMS. Safari was by far and away the most important feature for me. And as it turned out, for many other people as well

 

[JStrike]

So why is it smart?
What is a smart device?

You'd think it was one device that could do quite a bit ; you wouldn't need other devices in it's place? Purely because of the lack of any real connection speed, you'd need a notebook extra.

Not all all. Why on earth should your phone replace all your other devices? A smartphone is not meant to be a replacement for a macbook. It serves a specific use case

 

[Dolby]

Those features most certainly do not define a smartphone.
You are basing it on certain features that *you* like. I most certainly don't care about copy and paste or MMS. Safari was by far and away the most important feature for me. And as it turned out, for many other people as well

So what exactly was smart about it that it 'defined' an era?

 

[JStrike]

So what exactly was smart about it that it 'defined' an era?

For me, iOS was amazingly simple, Safari was far ahead of anything else, Visual Voicemail, multi-touch touchscreen, iPod app, the simplicity of the Photo's app, and most importantly the fact that it had *all* of these things I mentioned.

Nowdays, that is the formula that all other manufactures have followed

 

[cerebus]

So why is it smart?
What is a smart device?

You'd think it was one device that could do quite a bit ; you wouldn't need other devices in it's place? Purely because of the lack of any real connection speed, you'd need a notebook extra.

Does your friend have a 1st gen iPhone? If not it's just a bait and switch as I said above. If he does then yeah... that's pretty basic, shame fella.

As for what made the 1st gen model smart when it lacked MMS/3G/Copy/Paste I'd suggest as a start the OSX base with Cocoa and Objective-C support. Or the multitouch. Or like whatever man that's 8 years ago let it die already.

 

[Dolby]

@ Cerebus - All I'm saying is you cannot say a device defined an category and was the start of an era, when it was already behind at that stage. That goes for anything in life. If a device wants to 'define an era' then it must at least fit in that area itself.

I've told you the smartphones I had - and the iPhone went a step backwards from them - but it somehow defined that category? It wasn't even in that category to start with

 

[JStrike]

@ Cerebus - All I'm saying is you cannot say a device defined an category and was the start of an era, when it was already behind at that stage. That goes for anything in life. If a device wants to 'define an era' then it must at least fit in that area itself.

I've told you the smartphones I had - and the iPhone went a step backwards from them - but it somehow defined that category? It wasn't even in that category to start with

Your point only makes sense if you consider the features you've mentioned to be important to the definition of a smartphone. They aren't

 

[Dolby]

Your point only makes sense if you consider the features you've mentioned to be important to the definition of a smartphone. They aren't

My definition is far closer to a real smartphone than a simple OS and the fact that it plays music.

smartphone
noun
noun: smartphone; plural noun: smartphones; noun: smart-phone; plural noun: smart-phones

a mobile phone that is able to perform many of the functions of a computer, typically having a relatively large screen and an operating system capable of running general-purpose applications.

 

[cerebus]

@ Cerebus - All I'm saying is you cannot say a device defined an category and was the start of an era, when it was already behind at that stage. That goes for anything in life. If a device wants to 'define an era' then it must at least fit in that area itself.

I've told you the smartphones I had - and the iPhone went a step backwards from them - but it somehow defined that category? It wasn't even in that category to start with

You're right, it didn't define a category. It certainly redefined it though. There were plenty of smartphones around already and I even had some of those Windows Mobile based ones. But the iPhone changed the whole direction of smartphones so that within a couple of years everybody was imitating the features introduced by the iPhone, and in the same space of time the iPhone had incorporated all the missing features of other phones that they couldn't get into the v1 release.

a mobile phone that is able to perform many of the functions of a computer, typically having a relatively large screen and an operating system capable of running general-purpose applications.

By that definition the 1st gen iPhone was much closer than other phones of the time. It had Safari, OS10, and a large screen.

 

[Dolby]

You're right, it didn't define a category. It certainly redefined it though. There were plenty of smartphones around already and I even had some of those Windows Mobile based ones. But the iPhone changed the whole direction of smartphones so that within a couple of years everybody was imitating the features introduced by the iPhone, and in the same space of time the iPhone had incorporated all the missing features of other phones that they couldn't get into the v1 release.

I kinda think the market was on the path of a true smart device anyhow.

Believing that somehow a limited and flawed phone redefined 'smart' it is silly. As you say, smartphones were out already and people who wanted smart features were already buying them. Android was coming out at close to same time anyway - which means without an iPhone we'd probably be very close to where we are now anyhow

Do you think the Apple was the reason for USB adoption too?