SaxAppeal pulled off shelves

[DJ...]

You are right, you are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to express it as you wish (provided it does not constitute hate speech) but you are not entitled to get prissy with people who don't share your opinion, who are offended and exercise their right to stand up for their beliefs and demand your tolerance of those beliefs.

Don't you dare for one second expect that this right of free speech only goes one way.

Is this article is highly offensive to many christains? - Yes
Is this article is also protected by free speech? - Yes
Do those offended have the right to express their view? - Yes

Weather you like it or not South Africa still has a very large Christian population (compared to other countries). If PnP thinks that pulling this mag is beneficial to their business image, let them do it. (It's their right too.)

Now you've expressed your view, no need to carry on. Move on to something else and leave people to their views.

Um what!? You're getting a little hot under the collar due to me voicing my opinion about the matter? I take issue with religious organisations attempting to censor all criticism or negative comments/articles by threatening bans/boycotts and incorrectly labelling this as hate speech. Lunacy. Of course free speech goes both ways, they're entitled to respond if they feel so inclined - however now they're taking action to boot - horse, kettle, black much?

Precisely.
It's notable that they didn't offend Muslims (too scared). People like DJK are probably not Christians or brought up in another religion, which seems to give them the right not to be offended.

I'm sorry - WTF!? With a surname like Kaplan I can assure you that I was raised as Jewish as matzo bread - I just choose not to be offended by most things - it's not very constructive. If we're to start labelling anything that offends as hate speech we might as well just become a nation of commies. I am not disputing at all that what they wrote has offended christians - there is no doubt that it did. My argument is that action was taken against them for doing so - they are well within their rights to write and print such a piece and the CDA shouldn't expect an ounce of respect if they continue to with attempted censorship on the basis of taking offence...

 

[Pitbull]

So if I make an article and say I think all native people are complete morons some will find it offensive but it's ok because that is my view

There is a clear rule about tolorence I don't offend you then don't offend me. Simple as that. This article was offensive to some and needs to be removed. I would love to hear everyone saying this is sad to have it removed because they don't find it offensive have to say if an article was published and aimed at one race group and attacking them for it. Strange aint it. Maybe try and live by your own rules and not select it to count in your favour when you want it too.

It was as offensive as someone printing a newspaper article saying all black people are morons.

Period.

"We do believe that while satire has always been a feature of Sax Appeal, students putting the magazine together should be extra careful while documenting, reporting and cartooning their work to avoid blatant disrespect of any faith, culture and race. We therefore made the decision to remove Sax Appeal from sale in Pick n Pay stores.

100% correct. If you say this is fine, you also support blatant racism which is pittyfull and a disgrace. I am ashamed.

 

[ldmelsa]

I am assuming the same fukkers that had the mag pulled will donate equal to the losses incurred by the charities...wait...that is expecting too much.

By the way, it is C.U.N.T (Christian who Understands No Theorems) and not cûnt.
The 2nd is a naughty, naughty word.

copy and paste this special character: υ

 

[TheHiveMind]

I can see why shops would pull such a magazine, they need to be PC, thats acceptable, as they are catering for a specific target market, I think its their choice.

 

[grayston]

They wrote a book did they? Silly man.

Writing a book means you deserve to get death threats?

Nice.

 

[BinaryJack]

This argument is just going to degrade into religion bashing again and I feel that it is more about the freedom of speech.

 

[TheHiveMind]

I don't think its about free speech. They can say it, and they can print it, doesn't mean someone has to stock it.

pron is legal, that doesn't mean they have to stock that too.

 

[grayston]

It was as offensive as someone printing a newspaper article saying all black people are morons.

Period.

Not really. It was on par with an article saying all Jacob Zuma supporters are morons.

You can't choose your race, but you can choose your religion. Therein lies the difference! ;-)

 

[BinaryJack]

I don't think its about free speech. They can say it, and they can print it, doesn't mean someone has to stock it.

pron is legal, that doesn't mean they have to stock that too.

The mag was only pulled when they were threatened.

 

[PeterCH]

Not really. It was on par with an article saying all Jacob Zuma supporters are morons.

You can't choose your race, but you can choose your religion. Therein lies the difference! ;-)

Icorrect. Do you have proof that these people are morons? No. You can even say RACE-X are morons if you have proof and since no such proof exits, no one can say it.

Your reply about "Can't choose race but can choose religion" is inherently racist. Do you suggest that one race is superior to another?

Did the Sax Appeal say why they were morons? To me wasting time and money in publishing that rag was moronic, donate those funds to charity instead.

 

[PeterCH]

The mag was only pulled when they were threatened.

And a complaint was filed.

They were threatened with a boycott? Or did someone say they would necklace the PnP CEO?

 

[PostmanPot]

Your reply about "Can't choose race but can choose religion" is inherently racist. Do you suggest that one race is superior to another?

How so?

 

[PeterCH]

I'm sorry - WTF!? With a surname like Kaplan I can assure you that I was raised as Jewish as matzo bread - I just choose not to be offended by most things - it's not very constructive. If we're to start labelling anything that offends as hate speech we might as well just become a nation of commies. I am not disputing at all that what they wrote has offended christians - there is no doubt that it did. My argument is that action was taken against them for doing so - they are well within their rights to write and print such a piece and the CDA shouldn't expect an ounce of respect if they continue to with attempted censorship on the basis of taking offence...

You're Jewish, cool. Then you don't see the problem as it's not bashing Jews. However there is an organisation called the Anti-Defamation League which has a very generic name but targets all instances of anti-semitism.
There is even a term 'anti-Semitism' which denotes actions or even statements against Jews. There are no Anti-Christian, Anti-Catholic, Anti-Mongolian or Anti-Peruvian terms used by society or even the law.
So kindly, keep that in mind when some Christian people raise some concerns. If the article had said something against Jews I don't think PnP would even have stocked it. Cries of 'anti-Semitism' would be much louder than the few outspoken people who genuinely feel insulted by a CHARITABLE magazine and not a de facto Atheist publication, even. Thank you.

I'm sure that maybe anti-Christian statments don't offend you but perhaps others would and if you not personally - a great many Jews feel so offended the Anti-Defamation League exists. Everyone will get offended by something sooner of later. If I saw your mother and called her an overweight, over made up, sl-t and proposed that she suggested something sexual to me earlier, I think YOU would be offended.
From my POV, I can imagine that others may be offended about what I'm not, eg I can imagine that Chinese will be more offended by a magazine calling Chinese "g-oks" than non-Chinese would be offended. I think all racial, ethnic, religious, cultural (religion is part of culture), insults are offensive. It's offensive and though I'm not Chinese but this and other remarks to me are low toilet humour and do not belong in a Charity Magazine. They may as well do an editorial on the best way way to prepare human feces, that would fit with the literary quality of that 'charitable' paper.

 

[PeterCH]

How so?

Because the act of having to 'choose a race' makes one race superior to another. Did you really need me to explain that to you????

 

[PostmanPot]

Because the act of having to 'choose a race' makes one race superior to another. Did you really need me to explain that to you????

You totally misinterpreted what he said.

To put it simply, Zygotes can't choose race.

They can, however, choose religion. Preferably by themselves when they are at least 13.9 months old.

 

[PeterCH]

You totally misinterpreted what he said.

To put it simply, Zygotes can't choose race.

You still don't get it. Why should 'zygotes' have to choose a race?
When you 'choose' something, you imply you prefer something to something else. Why should anyone or a zygote prefer to be WHITE instead of BLACK?

Only one reason exists and that is that in this supposition we assume that
one race is superior than others.

What he said:
You can't bash black people because they did not choose to be black.
or
You can't bash black people (we think are inferior to us) because they did not choose to be black (did not choose to be inferior to us).

That is racist.

We don't allow racist ideologies because they are total bull$hit. One race is inherently not superior to another one.

 

[PostmanPot]

Why should 'zygotes' have to choose a race?

They can't.

 

[LoneGunman]

re; "Jesus is referred to as a 'tool, Christians as stupid c**nts and God as a 'pervert'," he writes.

I think that's entirely fair.

And the gruntingly stupid mouth-breathers who happen to have been raised by equally primitive cave-people who believe in rubbish about some 'sky fairy' - should shut up and realize they can't burn people alive anymore.

 

[LazyLion]

so it's also OK to call Homosexuals "Tools" and "C**ts" now?

what if I went around calling black people "c**ts"?

How about a woman? Is she a "c**t"?

How about atheists... if ever there was a bunch of "c**ts" it must be them!??

 

[rwenzori]

How about atheists... if ever there was a bunch of "c**ts" it must be them!??

We sure are. We go out of our way to be so!