Scottish Referendum on Independence

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 53.2%
  • No

    Votes: 52 46.8%

  • Total voters
    111
  • Poll closed .

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The British pound slipped sharply after an opinion poll showed that those advocating Scottish independence from the United Kingdom have gained ground, a little more than two weeks before the vote.

A YouGov poll released Tuesday showed support for Scottish independence running at 47 percent. As a result, the 'no' camp - those supporting the continuation of the 307-year union with England, Wales and Northern Ireland - only has a 6 percent lead in the poll.

That represents a significant narrowing in the 'no' lead. Less than a month ago, the equivalent poll lead was over 20 points.

The narrowing echoes other findings that the 'yes' campaign has gained ground over the past week or so after its leader, Scotland First Minister Alex Salmond was widely judged to have bested Alistair Darling, the head of the "Better Together" campaign, in a televised debate.

"A close finish looks likely, and a 'yes' victory is now a real possibility," said Peter Kellner, YouGov's president. "Even if 'no' finally wins the day, it now looks less likely that it will win by a big enough margin to deliver a knockout blow to supporters of independence."

The poll, which was based on interviews with 1,063 people, spooked some traders, and the pound traded 0.6 percent lower at $1.6525. The Scottish independence vote takes place Sept. 18.

"With less than three weeks to go until polling day the tide is starting to shift," said Kathleen Brooks, research director at Forex.com.

The economic impact of a vote in favor of independence remains difficult to quantify as many aspects remain unclear, such as whether a go-it-alone Scotland would be able to use the pound as its currency, as the "yes" campaign advocates. There are also questions as to how the U.K.'s debt mountain would be divvied up.

"We think that the prospect of independence could boost volatility in the pound in the coming weeks," Brooks added.

Scotland already has a parliament responsible for a wide array of social matters as well as its own legal code. However, economic and defense matters remain the responsibility of Westminster in London, where Scottish lawmakers make up a minority. The main U.K. political parties have indicated that they are prepared to give the Scottish Parliament more powers after the vote.


Source : Sapa-AP /aw
Date : 02 Sep 2014 16:40
 
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Wow.. a whole 1063 people....

I would be monumentally surprised if they get anywhere close to their 47% support figure on the 18th.
 
Wow.. a whole 1063 people....

I would be monumentally surprised if they get anywhere close to their 47% support figure on the 18th.

I don't think they are gonna make it. It will remain part of the UK.
 
I don't think they are gonna make it. It will remain part of the UK.

I'm pretty sure they won't make it.... The cons of separating far outweigh whatever perceived benefits there are.
 
What shocked me when reading up on this was how few people live in Scotland. 4 or 5 million, compared to 60 million for the whole UK. It seems like everyone lives in England.

I wonder if this will stir up the Cape Party again.
 
What shocked me when reading up on this was how few people live in Scotland. 4 or 5 million, compared to 60 million for the whole UK. It seems like everyone lives in England.

1.5 million of those live in Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh - the other 3.5 million are spread around towns with populations less than 100,000.

Lots of space in Scotland.
 
I'm pretty sure they won't make it.... The cons of separating far outweigh whatever perceived benefits there are.
There are a lot of benefits to England and Wales if Scotland does leave. The only downside is that we will be importing more oil and gas than before, but I think if switch to American shale gas we will actually save money. US shale gas terminals are coming online soon. All of the UK's defence spending which is currently spent in Scotland will also come south of the border. This is a big boost to local economies. Just about all the financial services companies based in Scotland have said they will move to London because the vast majority of their customers are in England.

There will also be a short term backlash against Scottish products. Brits do not like buying from foreigners. Alex Salmon and the SNP have been very bitter about England. If they win, they are going to alienate a lot of people in England who don't believe all Scots think the way he does. It will settle down after a time, but it's gonna hurt the Scottish economy.
 
1.5 million of those live in Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh - the other 3.5 million are spread around towns with populations less than 100,000.

Lots of space in Scotland.

It's the weather. Bloody awful. Even by UK standards.
 
There are a lot of benefits to England and Wales if Scotland does leave. The only downside is that we will be importing more oil and gas than before, but I think if switch to American shale gas we will actually save money. US shale gas terminals are coming online soon. All of the UK's defence spending which is currently spent in Scotland will also come south of the border. This is a big boost to local economies. Just about all the financial services companies based in Scotland have said they will move to London because the vast majority of their customers are in England.

There will also be a short term backlash against Scottish products. Brits do not like buying from foreigners. Alex Salmon and the SNP have been very bitter about England. If they win, they are going to alienate a lot of people in England who don't believe all Scots think the way he does. It will settle down after a time, but it's gonna hurt the Scottish economy.

There may be some shortterm benefits to England and Wales.. but they're not part of the referendum are they? Its purely in Scotland, so the only benefits that matter are the ones that accrue to the Scottish people, and honestly there aren't that many.
 
Probably..

bunch of bloody nutjobs that they are...

What's scary is that more people live in the Western Cape than Scotland.

There are a lot of benefits to England and Wales if Scotland does leave. The only downside is that we will be importing more oil and gas than before, but I think if switch to American shale gas we will actually save money. US shale gas terminals are coming online soon. All of the UK's defence spending which is currently spent in Scotland will also come south of the border. This is a big boost to local economies. Just about all the financial services companies based in Scotland have said they will move to London because the vast majority of their customers are in England.

There will also be a short term backlash against Scottish products. Brits do not like buying from foreigners. Alex Salmon and the SNP have been very bitter about England. If they win, they are going to alienate a lot of people in England who don't believe all Scots think the way he does. It will settle down after a time, but it's gonna hurt the Scottish economy.

The EU laws about banking could bite Scottish banks too. Banks are to be based in the country where the majority of their activity takes place, which for Scottish banks would be the (rest of the) UK. It hasn't been tested in court, but could be an issue when Scotland applies for EU membership.
 
There are only downsides for both sides.

Brits do not like buying from foreigners.
One wonders how anyone who feels that way stays alive.
 
Seasonable grumpiness...they'll settle down.
 
I've listened to two live debates between Salmond and Darling neither of which could be categorised as "intelligent debate" but reminded me of the Monty Python "5mins Argument" sketch.

Alex Salmond in particular seems to think that if you talk over your opponent loudly enough you've proved your point. I suspect the Scots will vote to stay in the UK and it'll be interesting to hear what Salmond has to say should this prove to be the outcome.
 
The British pound slipped sharply after an opinion poll showed that those advocating Scottish independence from the United Kingdom have gained ground, a little more than two weeks before the vote....

Source : Sapa-AP /aw
Date : 02 Sep 2014 16:40

I feel the strengthening yes vote is due to the ‘Braveheart’ syndrome (a lotta influence). However, it does make sense.

Intellectually, it **may** not be the best idea (if the no’s are believed) but the Scottish heart says differently. They’ve been trying for centuries to get rid of English arrogance afterall. They are not South Sudan and could well make a go of it (they are very talented). In the remote event they mess-up, England will not refuse to take them back after penalties and a superior smug attitude of “I told you so” (this will send the Scots ballistic).

Anyway, the UK’s entire head is up America’s arse and it will be a relief to see the kind of independence that doesn’t walk in lockstep with America. I was chanting “go! Scotland. Go” when they released Magrahy (Lockerbie bombing) on medical grounds. America and the UK had kittens. Boo hoo hoo.

It doesn’t affect me in the slightest, but it’s a good popcorn-eating drama. I’m rooting for an independent Scotland.
 
Anyway, the UK’s entire head is up America’s arse and it will be a relief to see the kind of independence that doesn’t walk in lockstep with America. I was chanting “go! Scotland. Go” when they released Magrahy (Lockerbie bombing) on medical grounds. America and the UK had kittens. Boo hoo hoo.

It doesn’t affect me in the slightest, but it’s a good popcorn-eating drama. I’m rooting for an independent Scotland.

I think the fact that an independent Scotland could pursue their own foreign policy is a big draw for many, especially after the Iraq invasion.
 
I think the fact that an independent Scotland could pursue their own foreign policy is a big draw for many, especially after the Iraq invasion.

That’s a biggie. I also think that parts of Scotland (Shetlands) who identify more with Northern European countries (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) than with Scotland, are going to add an extra twist to the drama. I just want to see egg on English faces. Heh, heh, heh.
 
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