Scottish Referendum on Independence

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 53.2%

  • No

    Votes: 52 46.8%
  • Total voters
    111
  • Poll closed .
MickZA said:
It's going to cost the new UK tax payer plenty to erect, maintain and patrol a modern version of Hadrians Wall, plus there's a significant percentage of Scots in the armed forces :D
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Plus the Scots gonna charge royalties for the use of bagpipes and tunes played on them played by the armed forces. In addition to a golf levy
 
Scottish referendum: Brown and Prescott to rally Labour voters

Former PM and deputy leader will lead party rallies in key areas after poll finds third of Labour voters now back independence


*Ed Miliband at Blantyre miners' club. He said it was true that many Labour voters saw the referendum as a chance to rid Scotland of the Tories.

Thursday 4 September 2014*17.30*EDT

Gordon Brown and John Prescott are to help lead a last-ditch effort by Labour to avoid humiliating defeat in the*Scottish independence*referendum as more Labour voters move to the yes camp.

The former prime minister and Lord Prescott, who was deputy leader under Tony Blair, will lead a series of party rallies next week in an effort to shore up the no vote in core areas of central*Scotland*after a poll suggested nearly a third of Labour voters could back independence on 18 September.

More here : http://www.theguardian.com/politics...referendum-borwn-prescott-rally-labour-voters
 
Scottish independence: Nicola Sturgeon says Yes vote an opportunity for all

7 hours ago

Ms Sturgeon visited Glasgow Central Mosque as part of her campaign for a Yes vote

Nicola Sturgeon has said that independence offers an "opportunity for all sectors of Scottish society".

The deputy first minister also suggested people were "waking up" to independence being a chance to build a fairer society.

She was speaking on a visit to Glasgow Central Mosque.

Labour spokeswoman Jackie Baillie argued that the nationalists were making claims on welfare which simply do "not add up".

However, Ms Sturgeon said independence was an inclusive offer which could benefit all sectors of society.

More here : http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29069715
 
The Scotts per capita are richer than the English at this point in time, it is not uncommon to find minorities outperforming the majority throughout the world. If scottland gets independence (which I doubt) then it would mean that Spain will be in a difficult position.
 
Oil is fast becoming yesterday's tech.
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/news-...of-rapid-charging-stations-for-electric-cars/
A NEW generation of rapid charging points along motorways and A-roads is allowing drivers of electric cars to cross the country without having to wait hours for their batteries to be topped up.
According to new figures, there are 435 rapid charge stations in operation — three times the figure of a year ago. They can recharge a standard electric car such as a Nissan Leaf or Renault Zoe to 80% of its capacity in half an hour, providing roughly 70 extra miles of range.
The units are rated at up to 50kW, significantly more powerful than the more common but slower 7kW chargers found in supermarket car parks or at the roadside in cities, which take about four hours to recharge a car to the same level.
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There are over 5800 charging points. +3700 of those are fast chargers deliver a full charge over 4 hours.

More of the rapid chargers are being installed and these will result in a drop of petrol and diesel consumption on the UK.

There is also similar progress in the Europe, especially Norway, who ironically have larger share of North Sea oil reserves than Scotland. No doubt it means Norway will be exporting more and more. There is also large investments in this tech in China.
 
zippy said:
Oil is fast becoming yesterday's tech.
http://www.driving.co.uk/news/news-...of-rapid-charging-stations-for-electric-cars/


There are over 5800 charging points. +3700 of those are fast chargers deliver a full charge over 4 hours.

More of the rapid chargers are being installed and these will result in a drop of petrol and diesel consumption on the UK.

There is also similar progress in the Europe, especially Norway, who ironically have larger share of North Sea oil reserves than Scotland. No doubt it means Norway will be exporting more and more. There is also large investments in this tech in China.
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Sorry to disappoint, but petroleum products will be with us for a very long time. Even if usage per person decreases, the world population is increasing rapidly. Especially in the third world, where oil usage is increasing year on year as they develop. Most of the world population currently live in the third world,and as their economies grow their need for oil will too.

Scotland has to develop alternative sources of revenue to be successful. Being a 1 trick fossil fuel pony will stagnate their economy. They can also appeal to their very large diaspora to invest in a free scotland (emotional mumbo jumbo works sometimes) and provide a safe haven to all the persecuted gingers :p
 
Sometimes freedom is better than money. I can understand and sympathise with the desire for self-rule. Life is more than economics.
 
The tide is certainly turning...

Shock new poll says Scots set to vote yes to independence

The people of Scotland are to be offered a historic opportunity to devise a federal future for their country before next year's general election, it emerged on Saturday night, as a shock new poll gave the campaign for independence a narrow lead for the first time.

Amid signs of panic and recrimination among unionist ranks about the prospects of a yes vote on 18 September, the Observer has learned that a devolution announcement designed to halt the nationalist bandwagon is due to be made within days by the anti-independence camp.

The plan, in the event of a no vote, is that people from all parts of Scottish society – rather than just politicians – would be invited to take part in a Scottish conference or convention that would decide on further large-scale transfers of power from London to Holyrood.

A poll by YouGov for the Sunday Times sent shockwaves through the political establishment north and south of the border as it showed the yes camp had 51% to 49% for no, excluding the don't knows. Better Together leader Alistair Darling said: "These polls can and must now serve as a wake-up call to anyone who thought the referendum was a foregone conclusion."

David Cameron was at Balmoral on Saturday night on his annual visit, where growing support for a yes vote was likely to have been raised with the Queen.

With momentum now strongly behind Alex Salmond's push for full-blown independence, the no campaign is desperately searching for ways to seize back the initiative in the last 11 days of campaigning. A win for the yes campaign would represent a stunning turnaround, and unleash the biggest constitutional crisis in the union's 300-year history: it was 14 points behind in polls taken less than a month ago.

However, another poll carried out by Panelbase for Yes Scotland found that no is leading 52% to 48% when undecided voters are excluded.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/06/scots-radical-new-deal-save-the-union
 
[video=youtube;lLCEUpIg8rE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE[/video]
 
I only wish we had this vote 35 years ago, one only needs to see how wealthy oil has made Norway.
Being Scots I'm totally for the Yes Vote, fear mongers are just having a field day with all the negative
comments. We are rich in culture, heritage, farming, fisheries, livestock I could go on and on.
For to long we where 2nd class citizens in our own land, seem to remember sometime back 80% of
our land was owned by the English.

Time to go it alone and F_C_ the English in what they think or do.
 
People are treated like 2nd class citizens if they act like 2nd class citizens.
 
I wouldn't actually mind Scotland going independent...

(A) Clearly the political character of Scotland is different to that of England as they have for decades voted in Labour MPs by large margins (think 40 of 59 Scottish MPs are Labour).

(B) The Scottish whine about decisions being made in Westminster, but have nothing to say about Scottish MPs voting on issues affecting the English.

(C) Let's see how independent Scotland will cope...it will be a nice little experiment.
 
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Cius said:
Only Norway seems to have gotten it right and they managed that by just saving all the oil revenue and building up a massive kitty with sustainable income.
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Not only do they save it, but they use it to devalue the currency; helping other industries to be unaffected by the economic power that oil wields.
 
The carrot

Scottish independence: Ten days to save the United Kingdom as George Osborne promises further devolution after poll shows shock lead for Yes camp




By*NIGEL MORRIS

Sunday 07 September 2014

Opponents of Scottish independence are to launch a last-ditch attempt to prevent the break-up of the UK as shock-waves continue to reverberate inside the pro-union camp following the*first poll to put the Yes vote in the lead.

Chancellor George Osborne has promised that specific plans will be announced within days to enable Scotland to gain greater devolution in the event of a No vote, in an attempt to stem the tide of their voters to the Yes camp.

With 10 days to go to the historic referendum on Scotland’s future, Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown will join up to 150 Labour MPs who will flood Scotland to step up campaigning. Alex Salmond, the First Minister, accused the No camp of “spiralling into self-destruction,” but insisted independence supporters remained the underdogs in the battle for votes.

Sunday’s YouGov poll revealed that, of those who had decided, 51 per cent backed the Yes campaign, with 49 per cent intending to vote No, giving a huge psychological boost to Mr Salmond and providing fresh evidence in a sharp drop in support for the UK over the last month. A separate Panelbase poll put No ahead by 52 to 48 per cent lead. As the outcome of both surveys is within polling error, Scotland appears to be heading for a knife-edge result on 18 September.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ll-shows-shock-lead-for-yes-camp-9717329.html
 
And the stick


Scottish independence: George Osborne offers Scotland fresh powers, but says no chance of sharing the pound


But he also insisted that if Scotland were to opt for independence then they would under no circumstances be able to use the pound.

“No ifs, no buts, we will not share the pound if Scotland separates from the UK.”

“[Voters] should be in no doubt about the consequences of this decision - one of which is that Scotland will not be sharing the pound as an independent country with the rest of the UK if the separatists win the vote.

More here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-no-chance-of-sharing-the-pound-9716931.html
 
If Scotland gains its independence in the forthcoming referendum, the remainder of the United Kingdom will be known as the

“Former United Kingdom” …….or FUK.
 
POUND SINKS AS SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE RACE TIGHTENS
By JILL LAWLESS
Associated Press

The British pound slid to a 10-month low against the dollar Monday and shares in Scotland-based companies fell after opinion polls suggested the campaign for Scottish independence could be edging toward victory.

At one stage, the pound had fallen 1.4 percent to $1.6104, its lowest level since November. It clawed back some ground by midday trading in London but at $1.6130, the pound is still nearly 2 cents down on the day.

Shares in Scottish-based financial institutions such as Royal Bank of Scotland and Standard Life also took a hammering, falling around 3 percent.

For months, polls have put the anti-independence side ahead, but the gap has narrowed ahead of the Sept. 18 vote. A poll released Sunday put the pro-independence forces in the lead, albeit by just two points. Other polls give the No side a narrow lead.

The leader of the anti-independence "Better Together" campaign denied his forces were panicking as Yes campaigners claimed to have the momentum.

"I'm very confident we will win the day," said Alistair Darling, a former British Treasury chief.

He has been accused of running a negative campaign focusing primarily on the economic risks to Scotland of separation.

Scotland's pro-independence First Minister Alex Salmond says an independent Scotland would continue to use the pound, but the British government says it won't agree to that.

Analysts said that with 10 days to go, markets were waking up to the uncertainties of independence, which include Scotland's status in the European Union, its share of Britain's national debt and its stake in North Sea oil revenue.

Brenda Kelly, Chief Market Strategist at IG Group, said the markets were "beginning to price in what was deemed unthinkable" - the breakup of Britain.

The British government is preparing to offer Scotland more financial autonomy, including greater tax-raising powers, in a bid to slow the pro-independence surge.

Many Scots favor that option - known as maximum devolution, or "devo max" - but it is not on the referendum ballot, which asks whether Scotland should become an independent country.

A yes vote would end Scotland's 307-year-old union with England.


Source : Sapa-AP /ar
Date : 08 Sep 2014 13:30
 
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