SEACOM on track

Why is it that when Africa try to do anything there is always a stuff up yet when other countries like the USA do things everything runs according to schedule and isn't a royal stuff up?
It seems that if you want anything done properly you need to get a non-African country to do it.

Well done to the "Seacom guys"! Go Yanks!
 
You sure about that Dom?

Were talking big bucks here, $11mil - $28mil per Gbps depending on volume and it will be a > 1300 Gbps cable.

Even if the SA IT sector (excl Telkom) commited to 20% of the cable (260Gbps) that would average out at a $5bil (R50bil) total investment, excl. the ~ 3% annual maint fee. And thats payable by Jun 2012.

Don't see where the money would come from?
fairly sure - will chat to you offline (we have some LLU work coming around on Monday :))
 
Neotel is landing the Seacom cable.

What I meant was the data have to get to ure house and Telkom is about the only service provider that service the "hole" country. It doesnt help Neotel land the cable but they cant give me a service in my area.:mad:
 
As in local loop unbundling?

yip - some good progress there

What I meant was the data have to get to ure house and Telkom is about the only service provider that service the "hole" country. It doesnt help Neotel land the cable but they cant give me a service in my area.:mad:

i hear you and again, afaik, neotel are good to get the bandwidth to the major centres and from there i would imagine it will be fine

bear in mind that telkom and the mobiles took many years to get the coverage which they have - as far as i can tell neotel are trying not to overpromise and underdeliver
 
I'm just holding thumbs that "limited backhaul capacity" is not used to artificially inflate consumer pricing.
 
bear in mind that telkom and the mobiles took many years to get the coverage which they have - as far as i can tell neotel are trying not to overpromise and underdeliver

Can understand that policy - but people are getting frustrated and irritated as it seems nothing's happening...
 
Can understand that policy - but people are getting frustrated and irritated as it seems nothing's happening...

+1

Maybe I should stop reading MBB. Most of my friends or people at work doesnt know about Neotel or any other service provider except Hellkom. Even the salesman at Altec Autopage doesnt know about his own company's case against Ivy.

Mebbe were overinformed and thats why is so difficult to wait for something to happen. We read about each incident on MBB and its making the anticipation worse.

Been on the net at home for the first time in a long while....... so much to DL so little bandwith. Never thought Rapidshare got so much stuff!
 
If I don't want Neotel as my ISP (for whatever reason), does that mean no access to SEACOM for me? Or will other ISP's/VANS also have the same rights to negotiate bandwidth on the SEACOM cable?
Yes, seems Seacom do provide bandwidth (IPLCs - international leased lines) however I doubt the pricing will be anywhere near as great as that of the IRUs (20 yrs partial ownership).
 
A nice article on this topic on Fin24 today :

Maputo - Construction has started on a landing station for Seacom's $650m undersea fibre-optic cable in Maputo, Mozambique - bringing cheaper high speed internet access one step closer to South Africa.

An inauspicious-looking but significant concrete platform for the landing station has been built in Maputo, the capital of Mozambique, 200 metres away from the beach.

Seacom president Brian Herlihy said the station "needs to be away from the floodline" as it will house generators and other electronic equipment.

Seacom will then make a "very unobtrusive" 1.5 metre cut (deeper in some areas exposed to anchors and fishnets) where it can lay the cable from the landing station on land 2-3km into the ocean. This will connect it to the 15 000km-long cable that will link SA to Europe and India via Mozambique, Madagascar, Tanzania, Kenya and Ethiopia.

"Everyone starts laying the cable on the beach by hand to reduce the environmental impact, and when it gets into the sea, the ship will pick it up."

'Enormous capacity'

Nearly 90% of the cable has been manufactured, and the entire Seacom network will connect all cable sections off the horn of Africa in the second quarter of 2009.

Seacom said its two fibre pairs will have an "enormous capacity" of 1.28 terrabits per second, where pricing will be significantly lower than current satellite pricing.

"Before Seacom, broadband would cost R8 200 in price per meg per month, but after Seacom it will only cost R435 a meg a month. Today we have seen competition reduce it to R800 a month, but we will still be cheaper than them," said Herhily, adding that over time, prices will be reduced further as volumes increase.

"To light up an entire 1.2 terrabits, according to historical data it will take between eight to 10 years for the cable to be full," he said.

Herlihy said that if more light spectrums had to be added to the cable, the size and the closeness of the repeaters would also change; "as you put (in) more fibre pairs, you have to put (in) more repeaters, and just one repeater costs US$2.5m."

According to Herlihy, if a million broadband users in SA had to access the internet simultaneously, one terrabit of international bandwidth would be required. However, SA only has 10 gigabits available, which makes the internet so slow.

"SA is the 21st-largest economy in the world, but the lack of international capacity has been choking the data market in Africa for years," Herlihy said.

Neotel connection

In SA, Neotel will run the landing station in Mtunzini, in KwaZulu-Natal. "Seacom wouldn't want to build fibre side by side (its competitors), as it would rather cooperate with a partner's backbone on land than build its own," said Herhily.

Neotel executive head of enterprise, Stefano Mattiello, told Fin24.com in a telephonic interview: "We are involved with Seacom. We are providing a landing station under our licence."

Even though Seacom owns the international portion of the cable, Mattiello explained that that Seacom as a company cannot operate in SA as it is not registered in SA and doesn't have a licence.

"For the cable to land here it has to have a licence," he said, adding that this was why Seacom chose to partner with Neotel so that Neotel could sell its bandwidth at wholesale prices to SA customers.

He said Neotel would own the SA portion of the cable out at sea, which comprises roughly 40km of fibre-optic cable, as well as the physical landing station at Mtunzini, near Richards Bay in KwaZulu-Natal.

"We are investing in excess of R100m in the cable, and we will also be providing backhaul capacity," he said.

While explaining what backhaul capacity meant, Mattiello said: "No one is going to buy internet capacity that is just going to stop at Mtunzini. The cable can't just stop there; it has to be connected to the rest of Neotel's network on land.?

He said that most of the backhaul capacity was already there, waiting for the cable when it lands in 2009. Seacom will have the cable up and running in January or February 2009 so that it can test the system. It will launch the cable commercially on June 27 2009.

The undersea cable is expected to have a 25-year design life. Once it is lit up, there will be a fleet of ships strategically placed for maintenance and repairs.

If a cable section is damaged, a GPS signal is sent out to a ship notifying it where the damage has occurred. The ship could get that piece replaced within three days (where the ship will cut the cable under water, bring it up to the ship and replace it with a new segment), weather permitting, according to Herlihy.

However, there have been cases where it has taken longer to fix a fibre-optic cable. In 2006, an earthquake measuring 7.1 on the Richter scale took out nine underwater cables between the Philippines and Taiwan. This caused a loss of connection between Asia and the rest of the globe, media reports said.

It took almost three months to fix multiple breaks in cables caused by the massive quake.

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-24_2421574
 
Hopefully SEACOM might be able to bring us on-par with international broadband pricing by the end of 2009...
 
Just a coupla clarifications about the SEACOM Bandwidth and Neotel as its landing partner, as per what SEACOM has published. Neotel is the landing partner, and will be operating their cable station, and to my knowledge they do not determine pricing on the actual undersea cable if you buy direct. I would guess though that unless you're a very large player, you wouldn't be buying from SEACOM directly, more likely that you'll be buying circuits via Neotel or one of the other players who are buying capacity on the cable. I would say that while SEACOM will be selling STM-1s (155mbit capacity circuits), its more likely that people will be buying AToM circuits (Any Transport Over MPLS) encapsulated circuits from a player who has invested in an STM-16 (2.4gigabit) or STM-64 (10gigabit), due to the fact that the price breaks in buying the larger capacity circuits are such that the ISPs that have the larger circuits and can provision layer 2 circuits over these using AToM or other such technology will be able to sell cheaper than buying STM-1s directly.

It's also very important to note, that if you buy dedicated transit bandwidth from an ISP that has capacity on SEACOM, you don't end in a position where you need to buy transit/lay down infrastructure in the UK or whatever country you are taking services to. Its going to be far more cost effective to buy Commited Data Rate IP transit from an already established ISP that has the transit/peering relationships already setup than to buy direct capacity and have to setup your own peering/transit/infrastructure in foreign countries *unless* you are taking capacities I would guess in excess of an STM-4 (600+mbit). Once you get to the kind of STM-4 level, it makes various things viable, including the cost of joining foreign internet exchanges, and buying transit in foreign countries, because the price breaks start to kick in at around the 500mbit level to a serious degree. To give you an indication, when you buy transit in the UK, at 250mbit/second you're at 10 - 11 euros per megabit, by the time you hit 500mbit, you're down to around 6.5 euros per megabit, and by the time you hit 1.5gig you're down to under 5. (And those prices are from Tier-1 players). Also, if you're taking direct, and you want to multi-home the transit traffic, you either need to completely dual purchase capacity in the UK (so double up), or split it between two providers with 95th percentile burst capacity (if you go that route, you lose your price breaks).

The backhaul to the end client though is probably going to be one of the big players taking SEACOM into their networks, then any of the now licensed players who can do backhaul via wireless/fiber/whatever into one of those players, at who knows what cost.

Thats my thoughts on the whole thing!

Andrew
 
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