Seacom versus SAT3

@LabAnimal - Tel_con will do very little, they are losing fixed line numbers but then increase rental, they think that at some low point they can pop in the clutch and turn it all around. They will not, Don't look for anything from them any time soon - @Arthur its sure ain't a free market, but Tel_con are just as much to blame, would think Mr Barry had some really good idea about how to rack it in with the coming of the Internet, as did $izwe with his Octopus charging system
 
Garyvdh said:
Don't worry! Even Telkom will come to the party before the end of the year! ;)
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I want whatever you're smoking. Telkom adjusts their prices once a year - as it is subject to ICASA approval. They've already submitted their price adjustments to ICASA, so don't hold your breath.

And as long as they hold a defacto monopoly on the local loop, they'll charge what they want.
 
kingmonty said:
I want whatever you're smoking. Telkom adjusts their prices once a year - as it is subject to ICASA approval. They've already submitted their price adjustments to ICASA, so don't hold your breath.

And as long as they hold a defacto monopoly on the local loop, they'll charge what they want.
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We'll see ;)
 
Who are the consortium members of the SAT3/SAFE cable? I know Telkom is, but who are the others?
 
Riiight...

Garyvdh said:
Simple... there will be price cuts before the end of the year. Actually. I have already won that bet... and the naysayers are strangely silent. I was told explicitly one month ago that there would be NO price cuts.

Here are my predictions...

Most ISPs will be running between ten and thirty percent cheaper by the year end.
ADSL speeds will increase
Caps will increase

the last two I'm pegging some time around October. ;)
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So, 10-30% price cut on a variable +value package prediction in the next 3 months... that while we all knew already that Openweb is already stating it (30%) - although 384k is not broadband.

I hate using this language, but that, including comments such as "We'll see" is a cataclysmic fail.

Grow a pair, put money where (the smiley) mouth is, and dare venture into the international true broadband comparisons if you'd like to act all smug here - don't tell us all what we already know.

What we already know is this: We are still being screwed, and while there's nobody looking out for us, and government's monkey-paws in everything, we'll keep getting screwed.

The "party" you're referring to is a pretty generous statement too - it'll take more than a clown making us balloon animals to put a real smile on my face.
 
yeah.. R57/gb instead of R59? oh my freaking hat. Let me rush out and buy 500TB of data at this amazing first world price

#FAIL
 
Devo-sa said:
So Telkom making billions of profit by blatantly giving everyone the finger, the state getting 37% of that, and then making sure they keep getting it has nothing to do with capitalism...

Hmmm yes, good argument.. so now - your solution? Unless you just want to keep crying oppression...
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Capitalism is premised on the state not regulating or protecting business. Telkom's entrenched position and the lack of real competition is the result of State protection of Telkom's business and thus its prices and profits. Until recently, competition was forbidden by the State, and even now it is highly restricted in a way to ensure Telkom's continuing dominance, profitability and hence pricing. The root problem is State intervention in the economy. Calling for more is pouring petrol on the fire.

There is only one possible solution that can work in the long run: Get the State out of controlling, regulating and managing telecommunications. Until that happens, we will always be at the mercy of bureaucrats who have other interests.
 
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Tel_con - the network that mugs South Africa, every day, every hour, every minute and every way they can
 
Arthur said:
Capitalism is premised on the state not regulating or protecting business. Telkom's entrenched position and the lack of real competition is the result of State protection of Telkom's business and thus its prices and profits. Until recently, competition was forbidden by the State, and even now it is highly restricted in a way to ensure Telkom's continuing dominance, profitability and hence pricing. The root problem is State intervention in the economy. Calling for more is pouring petrol on the fire.

There is only one possible solution that can work in the long run: Get the State out of controlling, regulating and managing telecommunications. Until that happens, we will always be at the mercy of bureaucrats who have other interests.
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Screw capitalism and zero government intervention. Our economy is dominated by too few large corporations for capitalism to work without government intervention to break up the cartels and monopolies. I don't mean I desire the sort of government intervention we have now, I want the good kind of government intervention, the kind that squishes Telkom and all the others like the fat lazy parasites that they are.

IMO government intervention is often required to keep a true, free market economy strong. Look at the mess our banking sector is in because our government won't step in and stop the pillaging going on there. How is a new company ever supposed to compete against these behemoths and their cartel without government intervention to stop the collusion?

Government should step in to sort this mess out and then bow out completely, only stepping in again if things start to turn to the collusionish tin-foil hattery stuff we have going on now. To say the government should just leave now would just perpetuate the mess they have created.

EDIT: Anyway, back to the topic at hand...go SEACOM! Hopefully after the SEACOM launch bandwidth will be so cheap that I will never need to worry about a cap again. In fact I hope that caps will no longer exist, I don't really see the point of them now anyway, with all that bandwidth flying around why can't we just sell connections by speed and forget caps?
 
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Garyvdh said:
ADSL speeds will increase
Caps will increase

the last two I'm pegging some time around October. ;)
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This year?
I think you could be seriously wrong. Didn't Telkom report that 8Mbps is a bit farther off?
And if caps will increase (which I seriously doubt), it will increase by a very small amount.
 
south Africa cant do without intervention. Think foreign exchange control. Back in the day everybody ridiculed it, today however people are breathing a big sigh of relief for the benefits its brought our country.

We just need a effective regulatory authority. Something which ICASA sure isn't.
 
w.m said:
This year?
I think you could be seriously wrong. Didn't Telkom report that 8Mbps is a bit farther off?
And if caps will increase (which I seriously doubt), it will increase by a very small amount.
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I think I'm seriously right! ;) otherwise I would not have posted it.
 
Garyvdh said:
I think I'm seriously right! ;) otherwise I would not have posted it.
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Techie at my house friday, ADSL2 is comming, they actually start testing it year ago, but they are having some trouble...1st indication was October this year, but im thinking next year early...
 
heynnow said:
Techie at my house friday, ADSL2 is comming, they actually start testing it year ago, but they are having some trouble...1st indication was October this year, but im thinking next year early...
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Ja, I think October is the goal. I hope they can get it going then!
 
Just for interest sake, what connection speed supports streaming of HD content? My opinion the 8mb would still be too slow to stream HD... we need like 10mb + /?
 
For A full HD PVR experience with a hundred channels, you need around 25mbps+
 
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