Self Defense - suggestions please

AntiGanda said:
Well, since the Glock 18 is as rare as a hen's incisor (and illegal for most of us), I think we may just doubt your story.
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Ha. I made a mistake. Not a Glock 18, but only a 17. Its the semi auto not the full auto, but I have a few of the extra long full auto mags. Bought it more than 10 years ago.
 
Kalle said:
Ha. I made a mistake. Not a Glock 18, but only a 17. Its the semi auto not the full auto, but I have a few of the extra long full auto mags. Bought it more than 10 years ago.
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LOL. Well at least you came clean. :p

They call that magazine the 'happy stick'.
 
Kalle said:
But if you use hollow points no one is running anymore; and yes hollow points are outlawed by the Geneva convention for military and law enforcement but they are perfectly legal in SA for self defense.
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Geneva Convention outlaws hollow points for law enforcement? Tell us more...
 
Dave123 said:
Geneva Convention outlaws hollow points for law enforcement? Tell us more...
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That bites me now too. Oh crap. I know that the Geneva Convention is only for military.

I'll blame it on the booze; or I was typing faster then I could think

and even the us military wants to use them now accordingly to this article

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/hollow-point-ammunition-us-army/

and the say there also its the 1899 Hague Convention that regulates it not the Geneva convention
 
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Kalle said:
That bites me now too. Oh crap. I know that the Geneva Convention is only for military.

I'll blame it on the booze; or I was typing faster then I could think

and even the us military wants to use them now accordingly to this article

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/hollow-point-ammunition-us-army/

and the say there also its the 1899 Hague Convention that regulates it not the Geneva convention
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;)

Yes, it is The Hague Conventions that relate to military use in war, though nothing to stop the US if they wanted to, they aren't a signatory to them.

AntiGanda said:
SA police are not allowed to use hollow points.
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Only under internal police regulations. No law against it (unless it has changed recently) and definitely not disallowed by any of the international Conventions.
 
[XC] Oj101;16056508 said:
If your life isn't at risk I'm promoting compliance over starting a gun fight, I said that a while back on page 1. My point is that if you're taking on someone who IS armed, shooting a toy or pepper spray at them isn't a wise idea.
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I see your point of view, but still think even in that scenario there is no black and white. His gun could be a toy for all you know. You could have the element of surprise etc.

[XC] Oj101;16056508 said:
I'm getting the idea it's me who's not making myself clear, cause just like with Nerfherder you and I are saying the same thing.
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Potentially. I think you're promoting have a gun = fight, no gun = compliance. I'm saying there are many levels in between the scenarios.

[XC] Oj101;16056508 said:
Sure, you say it's a large commitment, but the only real commitment is keeping your gun locked away and out of the hands of others. I don't know any firearm owner who doesn't enjoy a morning at the range (I guess there might be some?), so practice is more of a hobby and less of a commitment.
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I don't think it ends there, handling a gun in a threatening situation adds more pressure, to the point that many people can't deal with. I must ask, have you killed someone or something with a firearm before (I'm not talking birds with a daisy here)? The question is not meant to be degrading at all, I'm just trying to see if you can relate to the scenario. That's what I mean my commitment, wounding or killing someone can take it's toll on you.

[XC] Oj101;16056508 said:
Once your life is at stake it is very black and white. If they show any intent to bring harm to you or your loved ones, it's lethal force or possibly die/have to live knowing you didn't do enough to save your family. I think we can all agree it'll be easier to live with having taking the life of someone who had bad intentions for your and your family than to live with knowing your wife and kids have been killed due to your inaction/incorrect action.
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What about living knowing that because you were compliant, your wife and kids were raped and killed. Could you life with that? I don't think I could, especialyl if I had my toy gun that could've changed the scenario slightly. Would've spent my life wondering what id.

[XC] Oj101;16056508 said:
Can I take that as a compliment? :p
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Yes. :p Have a look at AntiGanda's posts on the forum and how he "debates" with people, it's quite something. :rolleyes:

[XC] Oj101;16056508 said:
Heh - you called me by my old name here. It only just registered.
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Old habits die hard. :o
 
No offense, but I am stuck on the fact that you have a sword in your home. I am assuming it's ornamental?
But that aside unfortunately the laws in South Africa protect the intruder if you hurt them in your home, which is absolutely ridiculous. The mere fact they are in your home in the first place, infers they intend harm whether it is their primary objective or secondary (robbery gone wrong and they have to defend themselves). Either way you have a right to protect yourself. I personally would avoid the use of a gun. Unless you have a license and are trained to use it, having one is just as dangerous as not having one.
It is a tricky one to be fair.

I would suggest a tazer perhaps. But you have to be quick and clever about when you use it. It probably won't kill the intruder but it will incapacitate him. A cross bow is just as efficient. I would maybe have a few weapons around the house. Crossbow. Sword. Tazer. Pepper spray. And try not stay alone.

The ultimate is to start a group of neighbourhood watchers who roam around your area to keep the riffraff out.

Good luck.
 
vroomvroom said:
No offense, but I am stuck on the fact that you have a sword in your home. I am assuming it's ornamental?
But that aside unfortunately the laws in South Africa protect the intruder if you hurt them in your home, which is absolutely ridiculous. The mere fact they are in your home in the first place, infers they intend harm whether it is their primary objective or secondary (robbery gone wrong and they have to defend themselves). Either way you have a right to protect yourself. I personally would avoid the use of a gun. Unless you have a license and are trained to use it, having one is just as dangerous as not having one.
It is a tricky one to be fair.

I would suggest a tazer perhaps. But you have to be quick and clever about when you use it. It probably won't kill the intruder but it will incapacitate him. A cross bow is just as efficient. I would maybe have a few weapons around the house. Crossbow. Sword. Tazer. Pepper spray. And try not stay alone.

The ultimate is to start a group of neighbourhood watchers who roam around your area to keep the riffraff out.

Good luck.
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:wtf: well duh
 
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