Sepedi at TUKS

[edc]

I am correct when I state that English should be used for tertiary eduction.

I am also correct when I say that Afrikaans is widely understood in South-Africa, thanks to the previous government, up to 75% of the people in South-Africa can understand Afrikaans if they were born here.

As I am well known in the forums, mostly commenting on the guavamint politics and policy, in opposition to the ANC lemmings, the denial of the previous facts are not based on the truth, rather on the notion to oppose anything I say, even when substantiated by logic, reason and posts from reasonably, credible sources.

 

[edc]

I'm not attacking you. Don't be so sensitive man.

You resort to personal attacks, when you are backed in to a corner. You are a mature adult, I am one also.

How many people can write in Sepedi? Is the written language developed well enough to be used in an advanced academic environment?

 

[Jozi101]

You resort to personal attacks, when you are backed in to a corner. You are a mature adult, I am one also.

How many people can write in Sepedi? Is the written language developed well enough to be used in an advanced academic environment?

The point here is that an attempt is being made to uplift it to a level where it can also be respected. Is afrikaans developed well enough to be used in an advanced academic environment, i think not, but that doesn't stop it from being recognised as a medium of instruction does it?

The first thing you said in reply to this thread was "who's gonna pay for it?". I've never been to UP, but i'm will to bet money that a big percentage of the student popullace is black and they speak, read and write Sepedi.

 

[edc]

The point here is that an attempt is being made to uplift it to a level where it can also be respected. Is afrikaans developed well enough to be used in an advanced academic environment, i think not, but that doesn't stop it from being recognised as a medium of instruction does it?

The first thing you said in reply to this thread was "who's gonna pay for it?". I've never been to UP, but i'm will to bet money that a big percentage of the student popullace is black and they speak, read and write Sepedi.

While the "attempt to uplift" the language is made, the students will receive a 2nd rate education. If you want to uplift the language, research it, write and translate novels to the language. Give bursaries to students, willing to do their masters or honors in in the development of the specific language. Potchefstroom has such bursaries. Written Afrikaans is more advanced than any other written African language, as it has roots in other very well developed languages.

I don't think Afrikaans is developed well enough though, my English teacher used to tell me Afrikaans only has 200 000 words compared to 2 million of English. English has 1 word to explain an entire concept which requires a whole sentence in Afrikaans. There are many Afrikaans students here who write their papers in English, because the textbooks are in English.

Concerning the economics, an additional burden would be created on those very same students it should empower, do you think they will not riot when their fees increase next year? Would it be beneficial to make tertiery education an even more privileged opportunity?

I know from first hand experience, that the kids who chose Twana over Afrikaans at school, came back to the Afrikaans class, because they could not write Twana. It is a bad idea and you know it.

In what language did you study? In which language did you answer your question paper? Were your lecturers capable of understanding Sepedi?

 

[dlk001]

I've never been to UP, but i'm will to bet money that a big percentage of the student popullace is black and they speak, read and write Sepedi.

I graduated from there. I used English to communicate with more than 75% of the black student I conversed with because they speak Sepedi which I don't understand. Its no surprise as Sepedi is dominant in places like Mamelodi, Atteridgeville and Soshanguve.

Whats surprising is that we did not converse in Afrikaans being understood by 75% of the population!

 

[edc]

- Sepedi is not an sufficiently advanced written language to be used at a tertiary level.

- The implementation of Sepedi will create an additional financial burden which the students will have to pay for.

- English is the corporate language and students should be articulate and in command of it, in both written and oral form if they wish to advance their professional careers.

Just nod and agree with me and you will be correct also. It is a good feeling.

 

[edc]

Whats surprising is that we did not converse in Afrikaans being understood by 75% of the population!

I am not surprised that 75% of the population did not keep your company.

 

[edc]

* Financial statements are drawn up in English, not in any other language. The reasons why are obvious.

 

[dlk001]

I am not surprised that 75% of the population did not keep your company.

Reason being?

 

[edc]

Reason being?

I would not keep your company, because most of my friends speak Afrikaans and English would be an unwelcome element. I suppose that is why you were not associated with by that group of people.

 

[Bageloo]

I would not keep your company, because most of my friends speak Afrikaans and English would be an unwelcome element. I suppose that is why you were not associated with by that group of people.

This is where you got the 75% from.

Your teacher forgot to tell you that from the 20 000 words that make up the Afrikaans language 10 000 are English words with an Afrikaans spelling

 

[edc]

This is where you got the 75% from.

Your teacher forgot to tell you that from the 20 000 words that make up the Afrikaans language 10 000 are English words with an Afrikaans spelling

As I recall there are 200 000 Afrikaans words.

You are incorrect, if you want to bash the language, to it properly. Like this: "African languages use English words for it numerical/value sytem".
If you spell Afrikaans words like you do English words, you should have failed the language. Did they just pass you anyway?

Afrikaans is not based on English. It is based on the following:
Indo-European
Germanic
West Germanic
Low Franconian

Interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Sotho_language

And if this post is going to be censored, censor that said about Afrikaans also. If you read up to this point in the forum, and have not censored that said about Afrikaans, then you can not edit/delete this in good conscience.

 

[Getafix]

You can't quantify such an excersise only in monetary terms. People's dignity is more important in this case, but i'm sure they've done some form of a feasibility study before they decided.

Go and buy bread with dignity.

 

[Syndyre]

They are being offered in high schools. Higher learning institutions have not come to the party before but it seems that may be changing. Here's hoping for more positive changes like this.

As a language of instruction? AFAIK matric can still only be written in English or Afrikaans.

 

[Getafix]

@edc

Relax. These guys with their own importance are out to stir.

Angelo is gone

Exterm only post from work. It seems he work shifts.

Our new Beng commie, who is not on the forum for a month yet, is so well paid for his years of struggle and study he can only afford to post from work as well.

Mr jozi only posts after 8 until 5 from his very first post. Not a single post other than going at the whites. He wants to know who grew up in locations and then denies being black. Then wants to know if there is something wrong being a colored. Seems to me like he has a identity crisis.

Jozi, Beng is nothing. In the pond of your household you may be a big fish. The dam outside is big boytjie. We own you nothing.

Now edc, sit back till tomorrow 8'o clock and we can listen to the only learned person on this forum. Enjoy your evening.

 

[edc]

Nod. Angelo was better though, since he did give me insights in to the things we discussed and provided reasonable logic, though I did not agree with him often. He posted evidence and did not resort to personal attacks on me or other members of the forum.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

This is where you got the 75% from.

Your teacher forgot to tell you that from the 20 000 words that make up the Afrikaans language 10 000 are English words with an Afrikaans spelling

200 000, and I think even that is wrong.

It's not based on English, I know edc wrote this but I will too, Germanic roots.. same as English. Funnily enough Wikipedia gives Afrikaans as its fourth reference for Germanic Lanuages, after English, German and Dutch.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

I am correct when I state that English should be used for tertiary eduction.

Most Afrikaans people I know study in English at varsity. But we do have a big skills shortage and from what I have heard most black people drop out of varsity first year because they cant study in their mother tongue and dont understand the work. So its a good idea to introduce more official languages at tertiary institutions.

BUT if government is willing to spend less money on workshops,cars and flying around the world there would be enough money to translate all the Afrikaans & English textbooks in to other official languages.

 

[edc]

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Could be more than 200 000, an elderly English teacher told me so.

I find your signature hilarious. haha

 

[zeridine]

Ke nyaka go ngwala lengwalo e tee. sefatanaga se a sepela. Monna o bona dikgomo. mpsa e ja dihlapi. Yena o betela mothato. Nka se bolele sepedi very good. eh fun. whatever. had sepedi as 3rd language back in the days. cant remember much of it grammar wise etc.
i dont think sepedi as a tertiary language is a good idea (and i'm def not basing this on the fact that i had it as a 3rd language).
I studied at tuks.
I am afrikaans speaking - went to an afrikaans school.
I found it easier at university to study in english - since my textbooks were english and almost all research is done in english.
People should really stop btching about 'dignity' and really look at the absurdity of having to 'translate' everything to sepedi and back. (give me the sepedi words for microwaves - waves ka nnayne? ka nnyanenyane? dimicrowave?) The international community doesnt care wether you speak afrikaans or xhosa or zulu.