Sheep in the suburbs

R13... said:
Nice name for a movie lol
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saturnz said:
how many hygiene issues relating to slaughtering of animals on Eid day have you heard of in South Africa over the past 20 years
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Actually quite a few, but regardless of that...

Are you saying that we shouldn't worry about the potential hygiene issues just because there has never been one?
 
isie said:
its normal every year see guys on social media go on about animal cruelty and how can you slaughter an animal
next week same person posting a pic of their steak



Hygene sure valid and i agree with - you can cater if you have a large enough place and get permission - which i gather from the article this guy didn't.
So 1 guy doesn't do something correctly we all backward? mmm -
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Not in the slightest in my mind. Yes personally I despise the practice of slaughtering and animal at your private home... but I do understand the religious aspect and from my mind the rules just need to be followed and also a bit of understanding that not all neighbours would be comfortable with the idea so try be a bit discreet about it.. as in don't have the animal tied up for days before the event and all that.
 
ToxicBunny said:
It ends up being a hygiene thing in my mind more than anything else... even at 1 animal being slaughtered. Residential properties are not geared for it at all.
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What does it need to be specially geared for in reality?

How is slaughtering at home any different to slaughtering on a hunt?

Sure there are some people who would get it horribly wrong....but it's really not that hard.

isie said:
its normal every year see guys on social media go on about animal cruelty and how can you slaughter an animal
next week same person posting a pic of their steak
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Yup, the two just don't correlate.

Eating meat is never going to be humane. Sure there are varying degrees of better or worse but at the end of the day you are still eating meat that got murdered for that purpose and you need to deal with it.
 
SauRoNZA said:
What does it need to be specially geared for in reality?

How is slaughtering at home any different to slaughtering on a hunt?

Sure there are some people who would get it horribly wrong....but it's really not that hard.
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When you are slaughtering a single animal the precautions to manage that blood and such is within the capabilities of most households... go much beyond that number and you will need special things to deal with that volume of blood and internal organs are whatever...

I've seen a property where the neighbour slaughtered 3 sheep and the blood leaked out into the neighbours property, and that is just not acceptable ever.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Not in the slightest in my mind. Yes personally I despise the practice of slaughtering and animal at your private home... but I do understand the religious aspect and from my mind the rules just need to be followed and also a bit of understanding that not all neighbours would be comfortable with the idea so try be a bit discreet about it.. as in don't have the animal tied up for days before the event and all that.
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Look i think we both on a similar points - I know a plenty of people that have big enough area at home get neighbor's permission (or do together with) clean up and you would never know. and of course you then get the guys who don't and cry foul when called out - so those complaining end up accused of racisms (and they not) and of course you get those who complain just out of prejudice
 
isie said:
Look i think we both on a similar points - I know a plenty of people that have big enough area at home get neighbor's permission (or do together with) clean up and you would never know. and of course you then get the guys who don't and cry foul when called out - so those complaining end up accused of racisms (and they not) and of course you get those who complain just out of prejudice
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Pretty sure we are :)

Just being a bit verbose for the benefit of those who may not understand....

Though, it is a bit more than neighbours permission, one does need to get an official permit as far as I understand.
 
The neighbors are idiots. This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with people disrespecting them in the name of religion.
 
SauRoNZA said:
.how much different is it really to buying your lamb from the butcher and braaing it at home compared to buying the actual sheep and doing the same thing after slaughter?

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Animal slaughter is bad at the best of times but the added level of cruelty in cutting its throat and letting it bleed to death is unnecessary.
 
nightjar said:
Animal slaughter is bad at the best of times but the added level of cruelty in cutting its throat and letting it bleed to death is unnecessary.
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Nope, that is not how it is done.

Please do some research, or better yet why don't you join some Muslims on Friday and witness first hand how it is done before making wild accusations.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Ok we must have read different articles then..

Why else do you keep 50+ animals on a property in a residential area in the run up to Eid?
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where in the article you read does it mention that atleast one slaughter has taken place on the property or that it will take place on the property?

a quote will suffice
 
saturnz said:
where in the article you read does it mention that atleast one slaughter has taken place on the property or that it will take place on the property?

a quote will suffice
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Dude.. don't bother... your attempts at trying to be clever only make you look like an idiot.

The implication in the article is clear as day.
 
Not sheep but spotted last week in Somerset West...

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rezabz said:
Nope, that is not how it is done.

Please do some research, or better yet why don't you join some Muslims on Friday and witness first hand how it is done before making wild accusations.
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You might look at the link in post#5


Summary of conditions for Halal slaughter
Islamic law requires that animals intended for human consumption be slain in a certain manner.

The conditions for Halal slaughter can be summarized as follows:

The animal must be alive at the time of slaughter.

In general, all forms of stunning and unconsciousness of animals are disliked. However, if it is necessary to use these means to calm down or mitigate violence of animals, low voltage shock can be used on the head only for the durations and voltage as per given guidelines. Stunning through a device with a non-penetrating round head, in a way that does not kill the animal before its slaughter, is permitted, provided that certain conditions are adhered to. Please refer to DHCE Halal Standards for more details.

The animal must be slaughtered by the use of a sharp knife. The knife must not kill due to its weight. If it kills due to the impact the meat may not be permissible.

The windpipe (throat), food-tract (oesophagus) and the two jugular veins must be cut.

The slaughtering must be done in one stroke without lifting the knife. The knife should not be placed and lifted when slaughtering the animal.

Full list here. http://halalcertification.ie/halal/islamic-method-of-slaughtering/
 
nightjar said:
Animal slaughter is bad at the best of times but the added level of cruelty in cutting its throat and letting it bleed to death is unnecessary.
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nightjar said:
You might look at the link in post#5


Summary of conditions for Halal slaughter
Islamic law requires that animals intended for human consumption be slain in a certain manner.

The conditions for Halal slaughter can be summarized as follows:

The animal must be alive at the time of slaughter.

In general, all forms of stunning and unconsciousness of animals are disliked. However, if it is necessary to use these means to calm down or mitigate violence of animals, low voltage shock can be used on the head only for the durations and voltage as per given guidelines. Stunning through a device with a non-penetrating round head, in a way that does not kill the animal before its slaughter, is permitted, provided that certain conditions are adhered to. Please refer to DHCE Halal Standards for more details.

The animal must be slaughtered by the use of a sharp knife. The knife must not kill due to its weight. If it kills due to the impact the meat may not be permissible.

The windpipe (throat), food-tract (oesophagus) and the two jugular veins must be cut.

The slaughtering must be done in one stroke without lifting the knife. The knife should not be placed and lifted when slaughtering the animal.

Full list here. http://halalcertification.ie/halal/islamic-method-of-slaughtering/
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right and cutting the The windpipe (throat), food-tract (oesophagus) and the two jugular veins is not the same as regular animal slaughter?
you do understand how death works right?
 
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