Should these people leave SA?

Tygerburger said:
I do not think it is a issue about whites or blacks. It is more about rich and poor. I do not know if you guys know about how many people are killed on Cape Flats or Townships. House breakings in Rondebosch equal to murders in Langa.Do not always keep saying you want to leave the country, but stand up to fight against crime. There are many people doing the right thing, why not you?
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It's got nothing to do with rich over poor. Such discrepancies between rich and poor are not unique to South Africa, while many of these crime types are.
 
I'm not going to leave... I will stand and fight, if someone's in my house, and I nail the unfortunate bugger before he gets to me. I'll plant a gun on him...simple. Our police are as good for nothing, there are a select few in the force that are trying, but this select few is way to few.
 
I wouldn't be disappointed in this family if they decided to leave SA. After an experience like that, it will be very difficult for them to feel secure or possibly even happy in the country, including in their own home. Most likely, they were doing what was right. They were working, studying, shopping and taking part in their local community. They were minding their own business when people interrupted their life, entering their home without invitation and terrorizing each member of the family just to obtain some material goods.

After something like that, there is very little chance I would stay longer than a month in SA. And I would probably work to bring the rest of my family out of the country in due time as well. (*Or maybe I shouldn't wait for it to happen to me? :( )
 
Scooby you will be suprised who supports this criminals. I grew up in the township and we would see this guys been visited by white guys, infact after committing some of this crimes they sell the goods to afluent whites. they boast about orders been placed for factory machines and cars. yes it is easy to get darkies to do the act like it is easy to get a black maid, but the sindicates are not me the ordinary guy it is some big guy in the surburbs and he is smiling all the way to the bank. look around and put your ear on the ground you will be amazed at what your neighbour is up to.
 
I would most definitely find it impossible to stay; furthermore I think they'd be stupid to stay. Lightning DOES strike twice in the N (unimproved) SA!
 
Azania said:
Scooby you will be suprised who supports this criminals. I grew up in the township and we would see this guys been visited by white guys, infact after committing some of this crimes they sell the goods to afluent whites. they boast about orders been placed for factory machines and cars. yes it is easy to get darkies to do the act like it is easy to get a black maid, but the sindicates are not me the ordinary guy it is some big guy in the surburbs and he is smiling all the way to the bank. look around and put your ear on the ground you will be amazed at what your neighbour is up to.
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I agree that there is probably white involvement in some syndicate-driven crimes. The savages running around are definitely too stupid to mastermind anything resembling "organised" crime. However, the kingpins are businessmen, trying to make a dishonest buck - their interests are purely financial and they have no beneficial interest in the rape and torture. That's a tax free perk for the barbaric savages.
 
This country sickens me. I will be out of here as soon as possible.

I am Unproudly South African, and I hate this place.
 
I would leave. Hell, one lesser event and I will leave. Fortunately the worst that has happened to me is a smashed car window when I wasn't there; an attempter break in; and, a break in when I wasn't there. But wait for it, I swear, the day someone puts a gun to my head is the day I head for a foreign embassy.
 
i'm not condoning the barbaric act and the scare of crime that has befallen our country, however the moment we start ponting fingers as if whites are the only victims, then we will never win this war. My house has been broken into and my white neighbours house were not attcked though all of us were out to work. should i conclude that it was whites who did that? it doesnt matter to me, what matters is i lost posession and since have relocated.My opinion on crime is, i will do anything to protect myself and posession in respect of who committed the crime or who send them.
 
I don't believe for a second that the only victims are whites. Sure, predominantly white areas get hit for a certain type of crime (but there are an increasing number of black folk moving into these suburbs who are just as vulnerable). Whereas, in townships, there is also hign crime and in many instances very violent crime.

We're all susceptible and as such should all stand together to get rid of this criminal element. Someone, somewhere knows where these criminals are and they must be brought to book.
 
timngaul I think you've got your head in the sand mate; I never read headlines or articles (or rarely anyway - can't think of one right now) where the victims of vicious crimes were not white. Please provide examples.
 
I'm with timgaul on this... There are violent crimes against blacks, but a lot of them are of a different nature. e.g. farm slayings are aimed at soley whites.
 
some people mentioned running away. i disagree. running away means you admit defeat. eff that. if anyone did that to my family(God forbid), i would hunt them down, torture them in the most unthinkable ways, and let them die a slow and painful death.
 
'running away means you admit defeat.'

thats the sort of reasoning that gets you and your family killed.

'Running away' - when facing severe homicidal violence and/or rape, in a society that doesn't care how many deaths occur, and where the police structure and law and order have broken down, isn't 'admitting defeat' - its running TOWARDS sanity and a longer life than the idiots who decide to stay in the murderous society where the probability of violent death is increasing for all.

Forget your macho stance on nervously threatening to 'hunt down anyone who hurt your family etc' - this is real life, not the movies. Try using that macho stance when your family's been raped and hacked with panga's, and you're mentally falling apart. Its not the movies, you know? And who gets to decide what happens if you die, and your family is left alive without you?
Yeah, I'm not gonna use an ounce of prevention to protect myself and family, I'm just gonna threaten to 'hunt down' the people who slaughtered my family if they do kill them, and stay right in the danger zone and carry on nervously living here.
That makes sense. Yeah, that sounds like a good life :P
 
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Problem is those rapes, murders, assault with deadly weapons happen every day in many townships. There is not sensationalism to their stories and they barely warrant a mention on page 6. These people, just like us live in fear. However, as xrapidx points out - white people are often victims of a different type of crime (often hateful or revengeful) and the manner and motivation for these crimes seem to put them in the spotlight.
 
LoneGunman said:
'running away means you admit defeat.'

thats the sort of reasoning that gets you and your family killed.

'Running away' - when facing severe homicidal violence and/or rape, in a society that doesn't care how many deaths occur, and where the police structure and law and order have broken down, isn't 'admitting defeat' - its running TOWARDS sanity and a longer life than the idiots who decide to stay in the murderous society where the probability of violent death is increasing for all.
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Agreed.
 
Sweetlicks said:
timngaul I think you've got your head in the sand mate; I never read headlines or articles (or rarely anyway - can't think of one right now) where the victims of vicious crimes were not white. Please provide examples.
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Got to Sophiatown Police Station on a Saturday morning (this station serves both a white area and a township) and you will see the charges being pressed. Cut, bleeding, raped, etc, etc... We were only there for a minor house break in.
 
I'm not talking about general violence being perpetrated against ppl in townships or domestic areas by peopel they know or in drunken fights, domestic violence situations etc....; I am talking about people breaking in to people's homes to torment, torture, rape and kill them.

Mercurial your idealistic vision of tracking ppl down and killing them is just that; you will never be able to find the b*tards, so I think you need to be a bit more realistic.
 
Sweetlicks said:
I'm not talking about general violence being perpetrated against ppl in townships or domestic areas by peopel they know or in drunken fights, domestic violence situations etc....; I am talking about people breaking in to people's homes to torment, torture, rape and kill them.

Mercurial your idealistic vision of tracking ppl down and killing them is just that; you will never be able to find the b*tards, so I think you need to be a bit more realistic.
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So a violent assault or rape is more important only if you're at your home in an area that is not a township?
 
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