Should these people leave SA?

[Eugene66]

No brainwashing required. It is a natural instinctive trait of all humanity.

There are only two kinds of rational people---Racists and Liars

We are building speculation on speculation here. The result is illusion. We really don't know much about this so we cannot go that far.

 

[Nanfeishen]

I am now stating that vicious, unprovoked, unexpected, violent crimes of the sort the Paterson family had to endure are mainly perpetrated on white people by black people.

Or so it seems to me; since nowhere do I read of black famiies being tied up, tormented, raped, strangled, stabbed, murdered by black people that are unknown to them.

What we experience in the press is sensationalism, stories to shock and terrify, the big seller stories. It is the nature of the business, that those stories will make the headlines.
Many blacks go through much worse in the townships, but it is not heard, of or read about because it is happening "there", not in the suburbs.
Most go unreported, for the simple reason being, who is going to go in to investigate? The police dont go into many of these places for fear of losing their lives, the victims are too scared to report the incident for fear of further retaliation, so nothing is done and nobody hears about it.

What is alarming is that most of the perps are young and spent most of their lives post-1994. Seems like they are either brainwashed to hate Whites or used by an older generation to commit these savage acts in their place.

Growing up in culture of violence and C grade gangster movies which often portray the gangster lifestyle as "cool" is largely to blame for that, add the virtual inability of law enforcement to catch these perps, and you have a dangerous thought process emerging.

As to genocide, why would you want to commit it when crime has so many whiteys running anyway? Why not only report white victims? it gets them out quicker, and they become less patriotic and liable to stand and fight, instill fear in them and they will leave.

 

[lion_fish]

What we experience in the press is sensationalism, stories to shock and terrify, the big seller stories.

You still need a story to sensationalise. Pretty hard to find those kind of stories at such a frequency overseas.

 

[semiautomatix]

Hows this for a comparison...

Had to go to my local police station (in the south-west of the UK) to get a document certified and guess what was their only crime for the day?

Some kid threw an egg at onother kid and he got hurt and another person lost their keys. Otherwise nothing to report for the whole weekend and the week so far.

No murder/rape/robbery etc...

South Africa really is a sh*thole compared to this place. I'm so glad i left and have nver been happier.

Shush! You make me jealous!

 

[semiautomatix]

You cannot generalize here, This is not what blacks do to whites in general. This is what black criminals do to white victims. Also consider their ages. These are the real dangerous ones.

You cannot take what happens to a fraction of the total population and use it to start another hate session between races.

I know it's disturbing but try to be rational dude!

Yes, very true and this must be highlighted to ensure that it doesn't boil over into overall race hatred. It is the criminals here that are the evil in society not the colour of your skin.

 

[semiautomatix]

Again it is not necessarily a racial issue. They are criminals and they do what they like, say what they like. So who is going to hurt them for vulgarising the obvious. She is white and they do call females bitches.

Could also be racial in a sense that dad is forever blaming apartheid for the powerty we live in.

Self justification. Ego needs it to commit a crime. "It is because of these whites that we HAVE to resort to crime to survive."

You can speculate in many directions with this. But we are biased toward racism here by default.

The worrying part is thats what the Nazis said about the Jews in post-WWII Germany. We can't let the overall misinformation and need for revenge boil down to a bloody civil war.

 

[Sweetlicks]

What we experience in the press is sensationalism, stories to shock and terrify...

agreed, so it may well be that blacks are attacking blacks and other people who are not white (unknown to assailants) in the same vicious manner as I described but we are just not hearing about it.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

agreed, so it may well be that blacks are attacking blacks and other people who are not white (unknown to assailants) in the same vicious manner as I described but we are just not hearing about it.

So..it goes un-reported. That makes the crime situation worse than it is...adding impetus to leave the country

 

[Sweetlicks]

And obviously we build up a skewed picture of the facts. Having said that and back to OT; there is something very vicious that is happening to whites in their homes, and on their farms in this country. No one can deny that.

 

[dlk001]

Having said that and back to OT; there is something very vicious that is happening to whites in their homes, and on their farms in this country. No one can deny that.

No one can deny that vicious crime now affects white people too.

 

[vespax]

agreed, so it may well be that blacks are attacking blacks and other people who are not white (unknown to assailants) in the same vicious manner as I described but we are just not hearing about it.

Talk to your domestic worker. My father-in-laws worker tells some pretty crazy stories about the area she lives in in Port Elizabeth. Gangs taking peoples fridges out of their houses in mid-day, etc. Crime is townships is far worse than in the suburbs.

 

[Sweetlicks]

Very much apity we do not hear of it vespax; but I do accept what you say; tho I still feel that the particular white -directed violence we DO read about is not the same violence that township folk are subjected to; though both are appalling.

 

[Skeptik]

Talk to your domestic worker. My father-in-laws worker tells some pretty crazy stories about the area she lives in in Port Elizabeth. Gangs taking peoples fridges out of their houses in mid-day, etc. Crime is townships is far worse than in the suburbs.

Do you have the stats to back that statement up?

 

[Rooinek]

Very much apity we do not hear of it vespax; but I do accept what you say; tho I still feel that the particular white -directed violence we DO read about is not the same violence that township folk are subjected to; though both are appalling.

If you have time read this article on racial stereotyping in the mediahttp://www.polity.org.za/polity/govdocs/commissions/1999/section3.pdf

Summary of the above article is that news correspondents have minimal sources they rarely verify. Most have preconceived ideas as an example 70% believed that all blacks are criminals, all blacks are irrational and that black lives are unimportant. Such views tended to filter through to their stories.

This is a more recent article outlining the problem which still persistshttp://www.csvr.org.za/articles/artstuck.htm


On the issue of crime in the townships please peruse through this article even though it is a bit dated, about crime in Alexandra. http://www.csvr.org.za/papers/papstav2.htm

 

[LoneGunman]

One needs to stop arguing over the leaves of the trees.. ie: what ethnic group the criminals belong to. Its absurd and racist perhaps, to even be looking at that.
Why?

Look at the statistics of ethnic identity. Whites are a tiny minority in a country that is overwhelmingly black. That's just how it is. A matter of mere fact. Its irrelevant and time-consumingly dumb to be arguing over whether or not the overwhelmingly majority population is responsible for, or experiencing the same psychotic crimes as experienced by the tiny tiny minority of Caucasian people.

All that's important is whether or not the crimes ARE occurring. Its wish-fulfillment psycho-drama to be wanting the crimes to 'fit' into one or another perhaps prejudiced world view - and its useless to be bothering to argue over who's targeted (or 'why').

The makeup of SA's ethnic groups, means that - like it or not - the majority of crimes will tend to be caused by the majority population group.

The tiny and small little ethnic group known as 'whites' (in total perhaps one-third, or maybe half of Tokyo's population!) who happen to be caught in the cross-fire and be providing rich pickings for the criminal element, should understand that whether or not its 'racially motivated' or 'personal' - is irrelevant to the big picture.

The country is melting down and degenerating into chaos and violent disorder and anarchy - and one little tiny ethnic group, just happens to have (for whatever reason) more wealth and riches, than the vast majority population.

So naturally the richer population group will be targeted and attacked.

All you have to do is look at the unemployment figures (unofficially 40-60%) - and the figures for official tax payers - and that shows you that the vast majority of people in SA, are desperately struggling to stay alive and find money.

And that tiny percent of taxpayers (what is - 11%? 15% of SA's people?) out of a huge population of 47 000 000 - is obviously going to reap the whirlwind and be targeted by the desperate unemployed who need money and food, and are getting no decent help from their government.

Only a madman could pretend to themself that they will ever have a 'good' or 'stable' or 'safe' life in SA from here on, given the above two sets of statistics.

It doesn't matter how you disguise it to yourself, whether using patriotism (to justify staying) or cowardice (by being fearful of leaving) - the above two sets of statistics show that the slaughter, chaos and fear, is simply not going to end. Forget the Government sponsored PR campaigns about rainbow nations, and some never-to-be-found 'great future' that is impossible to reach now.

Yeah it's sad. But the individual CAN'T make a difference, when the Government itself, is causing the meltdown of the society, by its actions and its inaction.

 

[Nanfeishen]

the vast majority of people in SA, are desperately struggling to stay alive and find money.

It doesn't matter how you disguise it to yourself, whether using patriotism (to justify staying) or cowardice (by being fearful of leaving) - .

"Struggling to live and find money" would have been a little more apt, and that goes across the colour spectrum.

Cowardice for fear of leaving??? WTF
There are many people who are unable to leave, many who dont have family anywhere else, many who dont have the careers, or the money to simply get up and sneak out the backdoor, and many who who choose not to toss their entire life away, on the off chance that they will have a better life anywhere else, because there are no guarantee's that everybody will have a better life somewhere else. Once again, this goes across the colour spectrum, not only white.
Cowardly? What fool gives up on a settled life to struggle and try and make ends meet in another place on the off chance it may be better?

A coward is defined as an individual who is easily frightened or intimidated by danger or pain.
Many remain through choice, they refuse to be intimidated.