Should these people leave SA?

[Ricard]

I agree that there is probably white involvement in some syndicate-driven crimes. The savages running around are definitely too stupid to mastermind anything resembling "organised" crime. However, the kingpins are businessmen, trying to make a dishonest buck - their interests are purely financial and they have no beneficial interest in the rape and torture. That's a tax free perk for the barbaric savages.

There is no justification for rape -EVER- Its Sick sick sick sick sick! What kind of sick person justifies rape as a 'fringe benefit'

Its pure HATRED that motivates the act of rape!

 

[Sweetlicks]

So a violent assault or rape is more important only if you're at your home in an area that is not a township?

If I could get a statistical breakdown of crimes perpetrated on the various races by strangers then I'd be better equipped to discuss this; most of the crimes that come to my attention, perpetrated on black people, by black people are crimes of lust such as rape or muthi murders or other terrible things but which are seemingly usually committed by ppl known to the victims.

 

[semiautomatix]

If I could get a statistical breakdown of crimes perpetrated on the various races by strangers then I'd be better equipped to discuss this; most of the crimes that come to my attention, perpetrated on black people, by black people are crimes of lust such as rape or muthi murders or other terrible things but which are seemingly usually committed by ppl known to the victims.

Again, its only unacceptable if you never knew the person?

 

[Sweetlicks]

timgaul you are missing the point here. ALL violent crime is unacceptable. What I am saying is that people are saying this is not black on white crime; or that black people are also victims of random crimes such as these people were; and countless other white families have been.

In other words, it's contended that black people are also being attacked randomly, savagely and for no reason other than that they are black; by black thugs.

I'd like to see news reports to back this allegation up.

 

[semiautomatix]

@Sweetlicks: your comment was

I never read headlines or articles (or rarely anyway - can't think of one right now) where the victims of vicious crimes were not white

You never questioned under what circumstances these crimes occurred: assault is assualt and rape is rape. What the motivation was is another matter. My point is that vicious crimes happen to all of us not matter or skin colour.

 

[Sweetlicks]

Well I agree that vicious crimes do happen widely and frequently no matter the colour of the victim.

I do apologise unreservedly if I never marshalled my argument in its entirety before I opened my mouth so to speak, I presumed it would be clear what I was driving at, but it was not clear.

I am now stating that vicious, unprovoked, unexpected, violent crimes of the sort the Paterson family had to endure are mainly perpetrated on white people by black people.

Or so it seems to me; since nowhere do I read of black famiies being tied up, tormented, raped, strangled, stabbed, murdered by black people that are unknown to them.

 

[Obaht]

Forget your macho stance on nervously threatening to 'hunt down anyone who hurt your family etc' - this is real life, not the movies. Try using that macho stance when your family's been raped and hacked with panga's, and you're mentally falling apart. Its not the movies, you know? And who gets to decide what happens if you die, and your family is left alive without you?
Yeah, I'm not gonna use an ounce of prevention to protect myself and family, I'm just gonna threaten to 'hunt down' the people who slaughtered my family if they do kill them, and stay right in the danger zone and carry on nervously living here.
That makes sense. Yeah, that sounds like a good life

Well said. In addition, I agree that crime affects people of all races. Be they black, white, yellow or brown. But what I am thinking is that it appears that whites are being systematically targeted for rape, robbery, and torture in the most heinous ways that are not as apparent in the black community. For example, you don't hear of black people being horribly tortured and murdered. You just hear of them being killed. (Muti murders are a whole different story in the black community). My point is why the torture and the terror? If you are going to rob, just rob and leave. I am sure most families will say take what you want but please don't rape, torture, or muder me, you can have it all. Then they can live on with just the memory of a straightforward robbery. Most people can deal with that but this family in the news has to endure much more.

Genocide in SA. This is the same thing that happened to the Jews in Germany before the war, the same in Rwanda and the Congo, Zimbabwe against the matabele. There is a process here where white people are being dehumanized and are being targeted with genocide. If these criminals had their way, most whites would be cut up with pangas or run out of the country.

 

[semiautomatix]

Well I agree that vicious crimes do happen widely and frequently no matter the colour of the victim.

I do apologise unreservedly if I never marshalled my argument in its entirety before I opened my mouth so to speak, I presumed it would be clear what I was driving at, but it was not clear.

I am now stating that vicious, unprovoked, unexpected, violent crimes of the sort the Paterson family had to endure are mainly perpetrated on white people by black people.

Or so it seems to me; since nowhere do I read of black famiies being tied up, tormented, raped, strangled, stabbed, murdered by black people that are unknown to them.

Quite. xrapidx mentions:

There are violent crimes against blacks, but a lot of them are of a different nature. e.g. farm slayings are aimed at soley whites.

And yes, to that point I would agree that whites are generally victims of vicious, unprovoked, unexpected and often violent crimes. These are pretty much hate crimes (or at least opportunistic crimes but with lack of regard for the victims due to this hate) and while that sentiment still exists we can never live in peace together.

 

[vespax]

Genocide in SA. This is the same thing that happened to the Jews in Germany before the war, the same in Rwanda and the Congo, Zimbabwe against the matabele. There is a process here where white people are being dehumanized and are being targeted with genocide. If these criminals had their way, most whites would be cut up with pangas or run out of the country.

Sadly, I think you are right on here. Have any of you been in a conversation where your black friends have said they hate "the whites"? I have, and it has made me look at my friends with a bit of suspicion ever since.

 

[Obaht]

There are violent crimes against blacks, but a lot of them are of a different nature. e.g. farm slayings are aimed at soley whites.

Home slayings in the cities = farm slayings in the countryside.

Aren't they the same?

These are pretty much hate crimes (or at least opportunistic crimes but with lack of regard for the victims due to this hate) and while that sentiment still exists we can never live in peace together

Yes they are crimes of hatred against whites. "You ******* white bitch" says it all doesn't it? Africa is not a place for white people.

Perhaps it would have been better if the Europeans had never set foot in Africa and just put a fence around it with a sign saying enter at your own risk if you are white.

 

[Alan]

Well said. In addition, I agree that crime affects people of all races. Be they black, white, yellow or brown. But what I am thinking is that it appears that whites are being systematically targeted for rape, robbery, and torture in the most heinous ways that are not as apparent in the black community. For example, you don't hear of black people being horribly tortured and murdered. You just hear of them being killed. (Muti murders are a whole different story in the black community). My point is why the torture and the terror? If you are going to rob, just rob and leave. I am sure most families will say take what you want but please don't rape, torture, or muder me, you can have it all. Then they can live on with just the memory of a straightforward robbery. Most people can deal with that but this family in the news has to endure much more.

Genocide in SA. This is the same thing that happened to the Jews in Germany before the war, the same in Rwanda and the Congo, Zimbabwe against the matabele. There is a process here where white people are being dehumanized and are being targeted with genocide. If these criminals had their way, most whites would be cut up with pangas or run out of the country.

Unfortunately there is a very good chance of that happening here .

Dr Gregory H. Stanton (Genocide Watch): “It seems to me a very troubling statistic that the murder rate of the farmers, the Boer farmers, is about four times as high as is for the rest of the population”

Dr. Stanton is a retired American professor of law who heads Genocide Watch, the organisation that co-ordinates the international campaign to end genocide.

We met him in Berlin where he was attending a conference in remembrance of the Holocaust.

He believes that, apart from crime, there's also another motive.

Gregory: “There's a motive of hatred, that these are hate crimes, that people are tortured, that they're murdered in ways that are de-humanising.”

Not only does Stanton believe farm murders are hate crimes, but he's also recently warned the world that the white farmers in South Africa could be facing genocide. Twenty years ago he witnessed the horrors of the Cambodian genocide.

Gregory: “I realised, I think, from that point forward that I would spend the rest of my life working to stop genocide and to bring those who committed it to justice.”

Years later, that's exactly what he did. He was the person responsible for drafting the UN resolutions that created the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda.

Stanton has identified eight stages of genocide by comparing the history of genocides in the 20th century. He describes it as a process, rather than an act that could take many years to be effected.

Gregory: “The third stage is really where you begin the downward spiral into genocide and that is the stage of de-humanisation. It is where you treat the other people as though they're less than human.”

A scene like this, he says, should have the alarm bells ringing.

This farmer was ambushed at his farm gate, shot in the back and left to die. His vehicle was burnt out and his body displayed with the lights and number plates.

Gregory: “These are clearly hate crimes. It's such a symbolic expression of de-humanisation. They're so treating him like a thing.”

It's often thought that a whole group needs to be killed before it's defined as genocide, but that's not the case.

Stanton says the more than one thousand four hundred farmers killed in South Africa could be classified under the Genocide Convention.

Gregory: “Even if it's a few hundred individuals who have been targeted, that is an act of genocide under the convention.”

http://www.carteblanche.co.za/Display/Display.asp?Id=2265

 

[Obaht]

Unfortunately there is a very good chance of that happening here .

Interesting article on genocide. The truth is that it can happen anywhere in the world at any time. If the ANC does not get it together then SA is in trouble. Centuries of war and of neighbours killing their neighbours proves this to be true.

 

[Alan]

Interesting article on genocide. The truth is that it can happen anywhere in the world at any time. If the ANC does not get it together then SA is in trouble. Centuries of war and of neighbours killing their neighbours proves this to be true.

The ANC are going to have to blame somebody for the mess

 

[lion_fish]

Got to Sophiatown Police Station on a Saturday morning (this station serves both a white area and a township) and you will see the charges being pressed. Cut, bleeding, raped, etc, etc... We were only there for a minor house break in.

Hows this for a comparison...

Had to go to my local police station (in the south-west of the UK) to get a document certified and guess what was their only crime for the day?

Some kid threw an egg at onother kid and he got hurt and another person lost their keys. Otherwise nothing to report for the whole weekend and the week so far.

No murder/rape/robbery etc...

South Africa really is a sh*thole compared to this place. I'm so glad i left and have nver been happier.

 

[Eugene66]

“All the time they kept shouting at her: ‘You f***ing white bitch.’ ”

And they want us to not be racists, they can go f*** themselves, if i see a group of black men in my house i WILL kill them before they have a chance to do anything, if that means i have to rot in jail to save my family, so be it.

You cannot generalize here, This is not what blacks do to whites in general. This is what black criminals do to white victims. Also consider their ages. These are the real dangerous ones.

You cannot take what happens to a fraction of the total population and use it to start another hate session between races.

I know it's disturbing but try to be rational dude!

 

[Eugene66]

Race hate.
They want what we have but they cannot have it without us. They didn't develop it so they cannot maintain and fix it yet. So this is a love hate relationship. I love your toys, I hate you. I only want your toys but they need repairing so I have to put up with you too.

This will go on for about two generations or forty years. It could be shorter if we stop looking back and look at the here now and tomorrow.

 

[pimal3]

What is alarming is that most of the perps are young and spent most of their lives post-1994. Seems like they are either brainwashed to hate Whites or used by an older generation to commit these savage acts in their place.

 

[Rozier]

Race hate.
They want what we have but they cannot have it without us. They didn't develop it so they cannot maintain and fix it yet. So this is a love hate relationship. I love your toys, I hate you. I only want your toys but they need repairing so I have to put up with you too.

This will go on for about two generations or forty years. It could be shorter if we stop looking back and look at the here now and tomorrow.

Not in a thousand years!!

 

[Eugene66]

What is alarming is that most of the perps are young and spent most of their lives post-1994. Seems like they are either brainwashed to hate Whites or used by an older generation to commit these savage acts in their place.

Again it is not necessarily a racial issue. They are criminals and they do what they like, say what they like. So who is going to hurt them for vulgarising the obvious. She is white and they do call females bitches.

Could also be racial in a sense that dad is forever blaming apartheid for the powerty we live in.

Self justification. Ego needs it to commit a crime. "It is because of these whites that we HAVE to resort to crime to survive."

You can speculate in many directions with this. But we are biased toward racism here by default.

 

[Rozier]

What is alarming is that most of the perps are young and spent most of their lives post-1994. Seems like they are either brainwashed to hate Whites or used by an older generation to commit these savage acts in their place.

No brainwashing required. It is a natural instinctive trait of all humanity.

There are only two kinds of rational people---Racists and Liars