Should vaping be treated as smoking?

Should vaping be treated as smoking?

  • Yes - they [can] contain nicotine

    Votes: 264 59.5%

  • No - where there's no smoke there's no fire

    Votes: 150 33.8%

  • Other (because...)

    Votes: 30 6.8%
  • Total voters
    444
isie said:
not deadly nightshade family just nightshade family Solanaceae - deadly nightshade and mandraek are part of this group - being in a family of deadly plants don't make them all - A lot of the veggies fall under Solanaceae

as for quantity again
eggplants (Brinjals ) i think in veggies has the most Nicotine and again you would need to eat like 10Kg of eggplant to get to the same level as cigarette
Potatoes have less then 1/10th of the nicotine that eggplants - we eat alot but i don't think we eat over 100 Kg's of potatoes in 1 sitting

If you want to talk about deadly stuff in nature - let's talk about Oxygen - have you seen what that does to Iron and steel
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Well, thank **** we're made of squishy materials then!

Also, ingesting pure nicotine would probably kill you if the dosage was high enough. And it's only one of the ingredients in cigarettes that keep you hooked (one of the less commonly known ones is sugar, which itself is probably the most addictive substance known to man).
 
Craig said:
That is a smell no one minds, the wonderful smell of meat on the braai.




By all means, go on with your behaviour. At some stage it will come under the attention of the wrong people and it will be just as regulated as cigarettes, hopefully even more. Just learn to be mindful of others.
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Hell yeah, Craig - I reckon if you could mass produce a braai flavoured vape juice, I reckon you'd be onto something.
 
I am not too phased about taxes, and health effects on those that puff away, but when I see something about new laws and regulations, or signs saying "no vaping", I smile. What irks me from the start is that as soon as vapists realised they could puff to their hearts content without going against laws specifically around cigarettes, they did, with zero consideration to others. In the office, in shops, in malls, at restaurants - smoke bombing everyone they can with no regard for those who have any sort of respiratory problem or just plain don't want to smell or breathe in that ****.

Bring the laws and regulations on, you guys earned it.
 
Vaping should not be treated as smoking.

But there need to be regulations. At this stage any idiot can go buy ingredients and make his own juice. So people can make juice that contains 30% flavor concentrates, 50mg nicotine. This is just ridiculous and soon we will have deaths etc and all vaping will be banned.
Same scenario for juice manufacturers, at this stage they can make what they want, no control. They can make a 50mg nicotine juice that would be fine on a 1.5ohm coil/devise. But their is no one stoping some idiot buying that and vaping it on a 0.1ohm coil at 100watts+.

No regulations would just mean no vaping soon
 
D3v8 said:
I've selected other. As a vaper myself, I feel that Vaping needs to be done considerately when in any public space. But it should not be taxed as a tobacco product when it is in fact, scientifically proven to be far less (95%) harmful than combustible tobacco products. And it is widely and successfully used as a smoking cessation tool.
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Exchange one evil, for another - yeah well .....
 
I am speaking as an ex-smoker of more than 30 years.

1) Smoking tobacco products of any kind in 2020, full well knowing what they do to you and others is nothing short of idiotic. Enough said about that. Yes, it is your personal choice to be an idiot. But you might want to consider the moral question of that harm extending beyond yourself. For example, kids sitting without a parent due to their chosen idiocy. And the financial costs you encumber all of the rest of us with when you go creeping to the hospital for help with your emphysema.

2) Vaping is the one thing that got me to quit. Not the corner store crap. A MTL device (not the ones those little w@nkers use to blow big clouds of smoke) and the strongest nicotine percentage liquid you can get, usually about 16%. Otherwise you will just keep going back to the ciggies. And work your way down to lower % nicotine liquids over 3 months. Then chuck that vape in the bin where it belongs.

3) These DTL (big vapor cloud w@nker boxes) devices should be banned. They are killing people, the facts are out. They are every bit as lethal as an Elcano.
 
jucedupp said:
I am speaking as an ex-smoker of more than 30 years.

1) Smoking tobacco products of any kind in 2020, full well knowing what they do to you and others is nothing short of idiotic. Enough said about that. Yes, it is your personal choice to be an idiot. But you might want to consider the moral question of that harm extending beyond yourself. For example, kids sitting without a parent due to their chosen idiocy. And the financial costs you encumber all of the rest of us with when you go creeping to the hospital for help with your emphysema.

2) Vaping is the one thing that got me to quit. Not the corner store crap. A MTL device (not the ones those little w@nkers use to blow big clouds of smoke) and the strongest nicotine percentage liquid you can get, usually about 16%. Otherwise you will just keep going back to the ciggies.

3) These DTL (big vapor cloud w@nker boxes) devices should be banned. They are killing people, the facts are out. They are every bit as lethal as an Elcano.
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I've only ever noticed this, and it's highly annoying. Why would anyone use this if there's an alternative like what you are using?
 
Hi guys,

I smoked for over 10 years,

I have quit smoking entirely about 1.5 mo. before lockdown and currently I'm vaping.

In fact, the switch has been so successful for me that, if for some reason i don't get to vape, i don't gravitate to a smoke at all.

The topic is very heated.

In my perspective, smoking is the most toxic substance known to man, not only "tar" or "nicotine", but its also radioactive.

www.newscientist.com

Tobacco's natural radiation dose higher than after Chernobyl | New Scientist

Smokers of 30 cigarettes a day receive 1000 times as much radiation as that taken up by vegetation after the Russian nuclear accident
www.newscientist.com www.newscientist.com

How the HELL do u even try and compare vaping to smoking then!?

Hands down, vaping is clear winner here.

USA, anti-vaping, big tobacco lobby public policy

UK, super pro vape, lobbying illegal and vape shops in hospitals.

I quit smoking with vape, and I'm sure ill stop vaping once i get bored of it.

Have a nice day!
 
jucedupp said:
I am speaking as an ex-smoker of more than 30 years.

1) Smoking tobacco products of any kind in 2020, full well knowing what they do to you and others is nothing short of idiotic. Enough said about that. Yes, it is your personal choice to be an idiot. But you might want to consider the moral question of that harm extending beyond yourself. For example, kids sitting without a parent due to their chosen idiocy. And the financial costs you encumber all of the rest of us with when you go creeping to the hospital for help with your emphysema.

2) Vaping is the one thing that got me to quit. Not the corner store crap. A MTL device (not the ones those little w@nkers use to blow big clouds of smoke) and the strongest nicotine percentage liquid you can get, usually about 16%. Otherwise you will just keep going back to the ciggies.

3) These DTL (big vapor cloud w@nker boxes) devices should be banned. They are killing people, the facts are out. They are every bit as lethal as an Elcano.
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Good stuff, but I'll differ with you on the nicotine level. I started on 6mg, tried 3mg once and sucked so hard my mod started to collapse.

Also tried 18mg once - was like smoking Texan plain , just too overwhelming.
 
I owned (and ran) a vape shop until last year, and we were involved in the process to engage Guavamint over the proposed changes in the tobacco bill. Suffice to say that vaping is not the same as smoking. We have empirical evidence to show this.

I can also confidently say that as an industry, we welcome regulation. That is exactly what is needed to stop boet from mixing juice in his bath tub and selling it to his neighbours. However, it is believed (and has been put to guavamint) that it should be taxed differently, and handled differently. That isn't to say that vaping should be allowed in public (we encouraged vaping guidelines to our customers). I fully support no smoking or vaping in enclosed spaces, and we never took our devices out in public.

The OP asked if smoking should be dealt with same as smoking. I vote no, but there are many nuances that can and should be taken into account. I want to klap a vaper that blows huge clouds in public, or doesn't take others into consideration "because he can".

I know many ex-smokers that would not have been able to quit smoking (my wife, a smoker of 30+ years is one of them) without vaping. No, it isn't for everyone, and indeed, I've told many non-smokers to leave well enough alone. It is an effective harm reduction device for smokers and should be recognised as such within the law. It infuriates me to see such an effective quitting method being lumped under the same banner because of pure ignorance and/or incompetence.

/end rant
 
Regulation is needed, but can we really trust the government with it? They banned vaping as well as cigarettes during the lockdown, doesn't that say EVERYTHING you need to know?

Regarding smoking/vaping in public places, the requirement for designated smoking areas then yes they should be treated as the same. Everything else? No.

I have smoked for years, moved to vaping for two and went back to cigarettes due to lockdown. When I was vaping it only took like 2-3 months for my overall health to dramatically improve, from running a short 5km = death to easily running 5km in a few minutes without feeling like I was about to have a heart attack.

My biggest grip with vaping is the little information on it. I had a run into severe peptic stomach ulcers. The cause was stress, but what aggravated them could easily have been the nicotine in the vape juices, as some drips actually spill some into your mouth when you inhale. I tried to ask my doctor if it could be vaping, he shook his head and "said there are way more harmful things to you like coke or energy drinks" any thoughts on this?
 
Raithlin said:
I owned (and ran) a vape shop until last year, and we were involved in the process to engage Guavamint over the proposed changes in the tobacco bill. Suffice to say that vaping is not the same as smoking. We have empirical evidence to show this.

I can also confidently say that as an industry, we welcome regulation. That is exactly what is needed to stop boet from mixing juice in his bath tub and selling it to his neighbours. However, it is believed (and has been put to guavamint) that it should be taxed differently, and handled differently. That isn't to say that vaping should be allowed in public (we encouraged vaping guidelines to our customers). I fully support no smoking or vaping in enclosed spaces, and we never took our devices out in public.

The OP asked if smoking should be dealt with same as smoking. I vote no, but there are many nuances that can and should be taken into account. I want to klap a vaper that blows huge clouds in public, or doesn't take others into consideration "because he can".

I know many ex-smokers that would not have been able to quit smoking (my wife, a smoker of 30+ years is one of them) without vaping. No, it isn't for everyone, and indeed, I've told many non-smokers to leave well enough alone. It is an effective harm reduction device for smokers and should be recognised as such within the law. It infuriates me to see such an effective quitting method being lumped under the same banner because of pure ignorance and/or incompetence.

/end rant
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I agree with you.

Vapes should be allowed as a medical device to help smokers quit.

But here is the fact: You use MTL devices (such as the Joyetech EGO AIO - at about R450, it is all a ciggie-quitter should ever need) to quit smoking.

BUT: We all full well know that the bulk of the money comes from DTL devices. And these have ZILCH to do with quitting. That's why I call them W@nker boxes. What will the Vape industry do / be without these? Not exist, that is what. Agree?
 
bwana said:
That article only seems to mention hazardous materials in the vapour. What percentage of the exhaled vape is water? Or is it mostly glycol and glycerine?
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Mostly glycol and glycerine, dissolves in water, and is far less harmful than shampoo, air freshener or even deodorant.

Smoker - 16 years
Vaper (0mg / 3mg) - 3 years

It got me off the smokes, and nicotene.
Win win
 
Craig said:
That is a smell no one minds, the wonderful smell of meat on the braai.




By all means, go on with your behaviour. At some stage it will come under the attention of the wrong people and it will be just as regulated as cigarettes, hopefully even more. Just learn to be mindful of others.
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Craig said:
Vaping is worse than smoking, at least with smokers the cloud of smoke is smaller, vaping makes these massive clouds that you can't as easily avoid.
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Your comment is totally ignorant.
 
Craig said:
Vaping is worse than smoking, at least with smokers the cloud of smoke is smaller, vaping makes these massive clouds that you can't as easily avoid.
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And these massive clouds carry the virus for all to see, and they can use their masks to stay save. :unsure:;)
 
jucedupp said:
I agree with you.

Vapes should be allowed as a medical device to help smokers quit.

But here is the fact: You use MTL devices (such as the Joyetech EGO AIO - at about R450, it is all a ciggie-quitter should ever need) to quit smoking.

BUT: We all full well know that the bulk of the money comes from DTL devices. And these have ZILCH to do with quitting. That's why I call them W@nker boxes. What will the Vape industry do / be without these? Not exist, that is what. Agree?
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Depends. My wife tried a MTL device, but it was only once she moved to a DTL device that she was able to achieve the effect she wanted and moved from cigs. Yes, MTL devices have improved in the last 4 years, but DTL has its place. The problem, as with guns, is not the tool as much as the tool using it. ;)
 
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