Six-Day War 40th anniversary

[rwenzori]

The Palestinians never existed until recently. Most came from Egypt and Jordan.

Oh I see - there were NO people living on the land that is now Israel before 1948. Just as most of South Africa was uninhabited before the europeans moved out of the Western Cape. Good propaganda stuff, but a bit wide of the mark!

 

[kilo39]

The score thus far (and let's remember Israel >started< the 6 Day War)

The United Nations Partition Plan, 1947

Israel today

Or another look

 

[Jozi101]

Oh I see - there were NO people living on the land that is now Israel before 1948. Just as most of South Africa was uninhabited before the europeans moved out of the Western Cape. Good propaganda stuff, but a bit wide of the mark!

Jan van Riebeck was the first person in South Africa remember?

 

[rwenzori]

Jan van Riebeck was the first person in South Africa remember?

Oh gosh! I forgot that! Thanks for the reminder. I must be grateful for my Christian National Education.

 

[SuperAntMD]

Oh I see - there were NO people living on the land that is now Israel before 1948. Just as most of South Africa was uninhabited before the europeans moved out of the Western Cape. Good propaganda stuff, but a bit wide of the mark!

Lets all bow to your superior historical skills. The situation in Israel in '48 has no similarities to South Africa and the Europeans. The vast majority of people "living" in Israel pre '48 (and in the case of the Palestinians '67) were nomadic, and as stated above mostly Jordanian. What is interesting is that Jordan and other countries turned their backs on these poor people in a feud over a piece of land that fits very easily into the Kruger Park especially considering Israel begged these governments to take them, and all of gaza itself. In fact the years after '67 were the first for many of these people, where they remained in one spot for an extended period of time. One could conceive that it was the fact that their own governments disavowed them as much as anything else that first sparked their desire for a homeland of their own.

The score thus far (and let's remember Israel >started< the 6 Day War)

The United Nations Partition Plan, 1947

Israel today

Or another look

Lets also remember that Israel accepted that partition plan wholeheartedly at the time. It was the unwillingness of the Arab world to accept it, and the subsequent War Of Independance in 1948 that led to the situation we have today.

 

[Skeptik]

Oh gosh! I forgot that! Thanks for the reminder. I must be grateful for my Christian National Education.

Depends which tribe you refer to. If you mean Xhosa or even Zulu, then yes, they weren't in the Cape and were busy migrating from up North.

Why do you think Israel is called Israel? It's also a lot smaller than it used to be.

 

[Paul_S]

Us whites were damn lucky that Mandela was in charge when the ANC took over otherwise things could have gone terribly wrong. There were plenty of people calling for white blood just before the change of power.

Integrating Jews and Arabs won't work.
The Arabs as a whole will not accept Jews to exist regardless of whether they are in charge or not. It's against their beliefs and religions teachings. Their goal isn't land which has been proven time and again - it's the extinction of the Jewish people.
Until they achieve that objective there never will be any peace.

 

[rwenzori]

The situation in Israel in '48 has no similarities to South Africa and the Europeans. The vast majority of people "living" in Israel pre '48 (and in the case of the Palestinians '67) were nomadic, and as stated above mostly Jordanian.

Methinks you allow yourself to be deluded by Israeli propaganda. Some places to look:

by 1950, according to United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), the number of registered refugees was 914,000.

The Israeli government passed the Absentee Property Law, which cleared the way for the confiscation of the property of refugees. The government also demolished many of the refugees' villages, and resettled many Arab homes in urban communities with Jewish refugees and immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees

So we ran away and left everything behind. Today I know that this is called ethnic cleansing, but that day, we had no name for our terror. Today I know that three-quarters of a million Palestinians were pushed from their homes that terrible year; that more than 500 villages were totally destroyed.

http://www.womenforpalestine.com/020403v2/pp_testimonies_gohgoh.htm

See my previous post about these villages as well - hardly "nomadic"!

'The Catastrophe'
The elderly, of course, loved to talk about the early years of the "Catastrophe", a term Palestinians use to describe the creation of Israel in 1948. All of Dheisheh's refugees who fled from nearly 42 villages that were subsequently destroyed by Israel to build Israeli colonies in their place, were peasants who lived off their land.

The way they describe it, it was a simple and wholesome life, centering around planting, harvesting, tending to livestock and storing what the land produced for the long winter months.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/road_to_refuge/return/testimony.stm

Let us also not forget what how caring the Israelis really are:

The Massacre of Sabra and Chatila in 1982

The Sabra and Chatila massacre is one of the most barbarous events in recent history. Thousands of unarmed and defenseless Palestinian refugees-- old men, women and children-- were butchered in an orgy of savage killing. On December 16, 1982 the United Nations General Assembly condemned the massacre and declared it to be an act of genocide.

http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/1.htm

 

[1004ron]

Let us also not forget what how caring the Israelis really are:

It's a bit much to expect them to caring when they've had to deal with this for yonks - www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

[Syndyre]

Let us also not forget what how caring the Israelis really are:

Lets also not forget those actions weren't committed by Israelis.

 

[rwenzori]

Lets also not forget those actions weren't committed by Israelis.

Much like Adolf and Heinrich didn't themselves drop the Zyklon-B into the showers:

As to the decision for the entry of the Lebanese militiamen into the Sabra and Chatila camps, it appears from the testimony of Rafael Eitan, Israel’s Chief of Staff, before the Israeli Commission of Inquiry that it was taken by him and by Sharon on September 14, 1982. This was followed by meetings between those two military chiefs and the Phalangist commanders to coordinate the operation of the militiamen’s entry into the camps. The decision to allow the militiamen’s entry into the camps was approved by the Israeli Cabinet on September 16 after it began to be put into execution.

The Massacre

Three units of 50 militiamen each stood ready in the afternoon of Thursday, September 16, 1982 at the edge of Sabra and Chatila camps awaiting orders from the Israeli military command. At 5:00 p.m. they were sent into the refugee camps in accordance with the agreed program of action and they then commenced an orgy of killing which lasted until the morning of Saturday, September 18.

According to General Amir Drori, Commander of the Israeli Forces in Lebanon, Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan met the head of the Phalangist forces in East Beirut on Friday afternoon and congratulated the Phalangists on their smooth military operation inside the camps. At this meeting, the Phalangist leader asked for bulldozers. One or more were supplied. The bulldozers were used to dig mass graves into which were heaped the bodies of victims that filled the alleys. A number of houses were also bulldozed to cover up the bodies of the victims.

 

[Skeptik]

The Israelis should keep Israel. It was their's from the beginning - it should be their's now. The small number of Arabs were just temporary. They can live where they were born. The Israeli's don't have other homelands.

 

[kilo39]

The Israelis should keep Israel. It was their's from the beginning - it should be their's now. The small number of Arabs were just temporary. They can live where they were born. The Israeli's don't have other homelands.

macabre

 

[Alan]

Bearded Gazans on razor's edge between life and death

Once, Hamas members were afraid to wear beards for fear of being arrested by Israel's security forces. Today, they are once again afraid of appearing in public with beards - this time for fear that they will be killed or kidnapped by Fatah militiamen in the Gaza Strip.

Sources close to Hamas said over the weekend that at least 10 bearded men have been shot and killed in the past week after being stopped in the street by Fatah gunmen.

According to the Hamas official, most of the victims were killed execution-style by Fatah militiamen and members of various Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority security forces.

*sigh*

I guess this is the "peace" we've been hearing about

Poor Hamas are no longer being shot up by the pig Jews but now by their own brothers for having beards

 

[1004ron]

I guess this is the "peace" we've been hearing about

Its all explained here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

[Syndyre]

This is what it's come to for Israel:

NIS 1 billion. That is the estimated cost of protecting the towns and rural communities within seven kilometers of Israel's border with the Gaza Strip, the Gaza envelope communities, from the Qassam rockets.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ArticleContent.jhtml?itemNo=862783

 

[kilo39]

Not accpeted by racist anti semites who refuse to read the truth and accept that? Did I get under your skin?

Poor Hamas are no longer being shot up by the pig Jews but now by their own brothers for having beards

Amazing how the people who most preach their sanctity are the most likely to use racist epithets and hate language.

Amazing how the people who most decry the monetary cost, and most decry their righteousness are the ones with the most death on their hands, the most territory, and the most blindedness when it comes to dealing with other peoples concerns.

Amazing how the people who most stand up for their "correctness" are the most likely to end up charged with rape, invasion and crimes against humanity.

Amazing how the people who most preach their 'correctness' and 'morality' turn out to be the biggest slimeballs on the planet.

Amazing how the people who most 'decry' the muslims are the people who most stand by muslim law, ie, eye for an eye and torture, the death penalty.

Look in the mirror: what you see is someone who has no morals, has no 'sanctity,' and has no respect for human life. The expletives and graffiti displayed on this thread are surely testament to that.

 

[Alan]

Look in the mirror: what you see is someone who has no morals, has no 'sanctity,' and has no respect for human life. The expletives and graffiti displayed on this thread are surely testament to that.

Blah, blah, blah

Says the guy who supports terrorists

You know the brave "freedom fighters" who deliberately blow up innocent woman and children with chemical truck bombs or the regimes who hang people in the street, slice peoples heads off and oppress woman

 

[kilo39]

The blah, blah, blah argument? Sorry does not compute.

 

[rwenzori]

The blah, blah, blah argument? Sorry does not compute.

Kilo39, there is no point continuing this - it is like "debating" religion with dodo. These boys have made their minds up and not even a Chernobyl will alter them, and they are blind to the human suffering and injustice being caused. Perhaps a result of not much life-experience? Perhaps also time to close the thread.