Slimmer Intel chips

scotty777 said:
Now I can't remember the terminology, but basically, there's a little "port" which only needs a tiny current and voltage to work, but this opens or closes the main gate on the transistor (a switch, which uses a tiny current to open a "tap" or gate and allow more current to pass the the transistor, creating a 1, if that tiny current is stopped, the gate close, no more current can pass and then you get a 0).
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You are referring to the Base terminal. A small current flowing from the base terminal to the Emitter terminal (Ibe) can switch/control a much larger current flowing from the Collector to Emitter terminal (Ice).
 
ponder said:
You are referring to the Base terminal. A small current flowing from the base terminal to the Emitter terminal (Ibe) can switch/control a much larger current flowing from the Collector to Emitter terminal (Ice).
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Yup that's it. I couldn't remember the terminology :p, what can you do? ha ha, but yeah, to my point, unless Intel makes a whole new transistor, I don't see the process getting smaller then 22nm
 
I would think they'd be moving onto diamond instead of silicon by now. There was talk of it some time back.
Which would be great. Which CPU do you run? Intel, AMD or American Swiss?
 
TheRift said:
I would think they'd be moving onto diamond instead of silicon by now. There was talk of it some time back.
Which would be great. Which CPU do you run? Intel, AMD or American Swiss?
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hmmm... Diamond? that would be one hell of an expensive processor... But perhaps they'll use germanium before diamond due to the expense, and Si-Ge does seems to show more potential then just plain Silicon. However, before they start using different substances, I think a new transistor design will be in order, they've used the same basic design for 20 odd years with minor adjustments to make them more efficient. I guess the next few years will make for some interesting new features/designs/patents.
 
killadoob said:
by 2022 yikes LOL by then bateria will be running our pc's at 100x times faster than slim intel cpu's :D
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+1. I think it's impossible for them to predict that we'll be using 4nm processors in 2022, because technology isnt something you can predict/roadmap like that. Some new method might be discovered which changes their direction onto a completely new track... I doubt anyone knew we'd have Quad core, hyperthreaded, 8MB cache Intel i7's, 13 years ago.
 
scotty777 said:
hmmm... Diamond? that would be one hell of an expensive processor... But perhaps they'll use germanium before diamond due to the expense, and Si-Ge does seems to show more potential then just plain Silicon. However, before they start using different substances, I think a new transistor design will be in order, they've used the same basic design for 20 odd years with minor adjustments to make them more efficient. I guess the next few years will make for some interesting new features/designs/patents.
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I'm thinking more industrial diamond stuff. You get thermal paste these days containing the stuff. Which reminds me, I need to order.
 
TheRift said:
I'm thinking more industrial diamond stuff. You get thermal paste these days containing the stuff. Which reminds me, I need to order.
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hmmm... like those man made diamonds? But isn't that technology still kinda pricey? but I guess if they put those diamonds on cutting blades then I assume they could use it for a processor. I didn't know diamonds were any good at thermal conductivity?
 
Quite a bit better than silver apparently.
So conductive to heat that it burnt more of a hole in my pocket for a diamond ring than a silver ring. :D
 
Check here:

http://inventgeek.com/Projects/DiamondGrease/overview.aspx

I think this was a while back. Right now you can get IC Diamond thermal compound for $19.99 online for about 5g of 24 carat. In tests it still comes in just below that liquid metal stuff everyone's going on about. But there's no risk of shorting out something should you mess up a bit. Diamond is non-conductive unlike silver found in other compounds.

I will probably order some of the IC Diamond compound, but it would also be quite interesting to make some up.
 
What about using gold? My understanding might be wrong gold is the best heat transfer (reason why maclern f1 car had something that very hote made of gold)
 
Weasley said:
What about using gold? My understanding might be wrong gold is the best heat transfer (reason why maclern f1 car had something that very hote made of gold)
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um, no, it goes Aluminium, gold, copper, silver, diamond,

click here to get a more comprehensive understanding :P. I think they used gold foil around the exhaust to move heat away from the exhaust and away from the other bits in the engine to prevent the paint coming off and parts melting (these cars are shrink wrapped around the engine, so space is limited). Also they used gold because of it's high melting point, and it can be made into a very thin foil.
 
Gold is very malleable which is why it used for the fine wiring connecting CPU dies to the pins. It can be stretched out ultra fine.
 
TheRift said:
Gold is very malleable which is why it used for the fine wiring connecting CPU dies to the pins. It can be stretched out ultra fine.
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well, it's also quite conductive, but yeah, it's because it is very easy to get gold to do what you want, ALSO, they use gold because it is very stable (I didn't think of this with the Mclaren F1, but it also applies), Gold is very low on the redox table, thus it doesn't oxidize and doesn't really react with anything (hence why they use in on tooth fillings). Even under heat it doesn't react.
 
Will give this a miss. My 65nm still gives me great performance, the next generation 'll buy :)
 
There was indication that Bulldozer would show in late 2009, but then there are also reports of it only being out in 2011. I am going to assume 2009 is wrong. I need an upgrade now.
 
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scotty777 said:
well, it's also quite conductive, but yeah, it's because it is very easy to get gold to do what you want, ALSO, they use gold because it is very stable (I didn't think of this with the Mclaren F1, but it also applies), Gold is very low on the redox table, thus it doesn't oxidize and doesn't really react with anything (hence why they use in on tooth fillings). Even under heat it doesn't react.
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Gold reacts very strangely with women.

:D
 
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