SONA 2015

Sneeky said:
Interrogate what is deemed as a job.

If you do that, things don't look peachy anywhere in this country, and Zuma's millions of jobs he had promised have vaporized, and we have infact regressed.
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This.
 
White people have long been condemned for using and associating certain people with a certain term.

It is a derogatory term that is undeserved by anyone ... except a certain person: Zuma
 
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Albereth said:
Assume you mean Patel.

He trotted out numbers quoted in rands about increased investment using the decline in the rand against the dollar to 'bolster' his argument.
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Yeah but that still doesn't answer my question. Neither does "redefine/interrogate the meaning of 'job'". He specifically said 65 000 jobs, by absolute number not percentage, were lost in the Western Cape, but jobs increased by absolute number in other parts of the country.

The 2014 stats up to March 2014 (not 2015) paint an opposite picture, but I can't find the 2015 stats on unemployment by province (will probably only be released by the end of March); see Table E and the paragraph immediately following Table E: http://beta2.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0211/P02111stQuarter2014.pdf
 
Bar0n said:
Yeah but that still doesn't answer my question. Neither does "redefine/interrogate the meaning of 'job'". He specifically said 65 000 jobs, by absolute number not percentage, were lost in the Western Cape, but jobs increased by absolute number in other parts of the country.

The 2014 stats (not 2015) paint an opposite picture, but I can't find the 2015 stats on unemployment by province; see Table E and the paragraph immediately following Table E: http://beta2.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0211/P02111stQuarter2014.pdf
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1,600,000 jobs lost since Zumatello was brought in.
 
Albereth said:
1,600,000 jobs lost since Zumatello was brought in.
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Yes, we know that. I'm specifically referring to the past year's stats for the Western Cape, though. I guess I'll have to wait for the debate to continue at 14h00 and see if the DA provide a rebuttal to this number quoted for the WC.
 
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daveza said:
Only if you ignore the massive influx from other crappily run ANC provinces.

In other words we got their unemployed.

And we have to ask why they left their home provinces - it makes no sense for them to come here if it's such a horrible place where there are no jobs.
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Perhaps unemployable is a better description?
 
Bar0n said:
Yeah but that still doesn't answer my question. Neither does "redefine/interrogate the meaning of 'job'". He specifically said 65 000 jobs, by absolute number not percentage, were lost in the Western Cape, but jobs increased by absolute number in other parts of the country.

The 2014 stats up to March 2014 (not 2015) paint an opposite picture, but I can't find the 2015 stats on unemployment by province (will probably only be released by the end of March); see Table E and the paragraph immediately following Table E: http://beta2.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0211/P02111stQuarter2014.pdf
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Not sure where he got that figure, I should have made it clearer when I said percentage, I'm assuming he's calculated by percentage and converted to a number.

That said after browsing through the tables here, all I see is, as you state, an opposite picture of what he said... I see a huge population increase in WC, followed by employment numbers increasing, meaning people are heading to WC is search of work, and they are finding it. Even with the increase in population, unemployment seems to be decreasing. (I just browsed though, but thats what I 'see' as the trend)

I guess we'll see what happens at 2pm, I'm guessing DA will bring it up
 
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Two comments:

1. Pravin Gordhan is quite intelligent and well-spoken. How is it possible that he has not seen the light?

2. People should stop getting excited about a politician or someone with the capacity to enter politics. Over the years, we kept reading comments like "Moeletsi Mbeki for President", or "Mamphela Ramphele for President" or even "Mmusi Maimane for President". Not everyone who has the ability to criticise the current President or government in an eloquent fashion, is a good fit for the job.
 
blunomore said:
Two comments:

1. Pravin Gordhan is quite intelligent and well-spoken. How is it possible that he has not seen the light?

2. People should stop getting excited about a politician or someone with the capacity to enter politics. Over the years, we kept reading comments like "Moeletsi Mbeki for President", or "Mamphela Ramphele for President" or even "Mmusi Maimane for President". Not everyone who has the ability to criticise the current President or government in an eloquent fashion, is a good fit for the job.
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Pravin conveniently looked the other way when Nkandla happened under his tenure as finance minister. He is as rotten as the rest, why on earth would you consider him a good man just because he's well spoken?
 
evilstebunny said:
Pravin conveniently looked the other way when Nkandla happened under his tenure as finance minister. He is as rotten as the rest, why on earth would you consider him a good man just because he's well spoken?
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Because as far as I know, he is one of the few who was not corruptible. Way back when :)
 
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