SONA 2021

krycor said:
So part of the many things mentioned was the establishment of a fraud and corruption entity to investigate and tackle everything related in gov.

Cool.. even great but I do hope they makes this entity politically independent. You can’t look past Public Protector and realize that politics should have no fingers in this.

For people who claim PP, NPA, Hawks etc all involved in similar so why spend on this.. it’s different. While those organizations are generalized for other issues.. having their focus solely on fraud & corruption is problematic as it detracts from other parts of their mandate.

So good one.. but proof is in how it’s setup and what role gov has to play with this entity.
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Will this entity happen before they split up Eskom? That was promised two years ago. Where are the bullet trains he promised 3 years ago?
 
Vrotappel said:
Will this entity happen before they split up Eskom? That was promised two years ago. Where are the bullet trains he promised 3 years ago?
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Like last night's speech, they were all RamaDreams. There will be nothing. There is no more money left to build a couple pit toilets.
 
Supervan II said:
Employees?
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Just me. In the future I might have to hire someone, but my workload doesn't justify it right now.

Vrotappel said:
So I have a cafe and have one cleaner. When the governmet tells me to double that person's salary it will not affect my business? I even have to explain this to you with a example??
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I mean it will, but it's not going to ruin that kind of business. Unless somehow your profits are less than R3500 a month and doubling the minimum wage would sink you.

If that's the case, then you have much bigger problems to worry about.
 
CataclysmZA said:
Just me. In the future I might have to hire someone, but my workload doesn't justify it right now.



I mean it will, but it's not going to ruin that kind of business. Unless somehow your profits are less than R3500 a month and doubling the minimum wage would sink you.

If that's the case, then you have much bigger problems to worry about.
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Farm workers minimum wage is increasing 16% this year. What do you think is going to happen? I'll tell you, food will get more expensive defeating the point of minimum wage, workers will get laid off and farmers will start moving to mechanised production.
 
CataclysmZA said:
I mean it will, but it's not going to ruin that kind of business. Unless somehow your profits are less than R3500 a month and doubling the minimum wage would sink you.

If that's the case, then you have much bigger problems to worry about.
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I guess all the small business currently folding is that figments of our imagination.
 
CataclysmZA said:
Again, how does doubling the minimum wage equate to killing small businesses? Come on, show me.

We're talking MINIMUM WAGE here. We're talking about doubling the cleaner's salary, not literally everyone in the company.
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Listen bra. I already pay 7 rand per hour. That is whopping 56 rands per day. You can buy 3 bread loaves and meat and whatever you need in that amount. Everyday. What more does a person want more than this?

/s

Basically, that is the logic.
 
surface said:
Listen bra. I already pay 7 rand per hour. That is whopping 56 rands per day. You can buy 3 bread loaves and meat and whatever you need in that amount. Everyday. What more does a person want more than this?

/s

Basically, that is the logic.
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Sadly, many aren't even paid overtime or it's paid erratically.
 
wingnut771 said:
Farm workers minimum wage is increasing 16% this year. What do you think is going to happen? I'll tell you, food will get more expensive defeating the point of minimum wage, workers will get laid off and farmers will start moving to mechanised production.
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Well before this, farm workers earned a minimum of R18 an hour. Now they'll be earning almost R22 an hour. Prior to the legislation introduced in 2018, farm workers across the country were paid much less than R18.

Adjusted for inflation, slaves would have been better paid.

Vrotappel said:
I guess all the small business currently folding is that figments of our imagination.
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That's definitely happening, but you know what?

They're not folding because of a minimum wage increase.
 
surface said:
Listen bra. I already pay 7 rand per hour. That is whopping 56 rands per day. You can buy 3 bread loaves and meat and whatever you need in that amount. Everyday. What more does a person want more than this?

/s

Basically, that is the logic.
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Where do you even fit in vegetables, staple foods, toiletries, medication, airtime, electricity, or water in what daily amount?

You can barely survive on it.

Sanitary pads consume almost all of that.
 
CataclysmZA said:
Well before this, farm workers earned a minimum of R18 an hour. Now they'll be earning almost R22 an hour. Prior to the legislation introduced in 2018, farm workers across the country were paid much less than R18.

Adjusted for inflation, slaves would have been better paid.



That's definitely happening, but you know what?

They're not folding because of a minimum wage increase.
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Wages aren't the problem. Cost of living is. Maybe government should stop taxing fuel so much (oil is at a 20 year low and yet petrol price is not R4 a litre), concentrate on lowering the electricity price (500% increase in 10 years, eskom ave generation cost was 17c/kWh in 2007) etc, stop with this rhetoric of farm workers have part claim to the farm resulting in farm workers that have been living on the farm rent free for 30 years getting evicted?
 
CataclysmZA said:
Where do you even fit in vegetables, staple foods, toiletries, medication, airtime, electricity, or water in what daily amount?

You can barely survive on it.

Sanitary pads consume almost all of that.
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Hey, because of BEE, we lost everything. Are we supposed to care for human beings now ? /s
 
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