Sony PS4: Rumour mill continues

So sell it and get a 360 ;)


As for the rumour, it's just fanboy wet dreams. It's just a number buff from the PS3 but doesn't address the PS3's fundamental flaw - that's it's too expensive to produce for a consumer device.

I got a 360 :D

But most people will assume I am attacking the PS3 if I mentioned I have 30+ games on my Xbox compared to the few games I have on the PS3 ;)
 
fnucknut : You need to read a bit more about CPU architecture....

PC's and Laptops will pretty much always you general purpose architectures due to the varied nature of the tasks they perform. The Cell is no match for a general purpose in the normal computing arena... and when it comes to specialised tasks, the normal CPU is no match for Cell.
 
fnucknut : You need to read a bit more about CPU architecture....

PC's and Laptops will pretty much always you general purpose architectures due to the varied nature of the tasks they perform. The Cell is no match for a general purpose in the normal computing arena... and when it comes to specialised tasks, the normal CPU is no match for Cell.

Just some info :D

http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html

So, what is Cell Architecture



Cell is an architecture for high performance distributed computing. It is comprised of hardware and software Cells, software Cells consist of data and programs (known as jobs or apulets), these are sent out to the hardware Cells where they are computed, the results are then returned.



This architecture is not fixed, if you have a computer, PS3 and HDTV which have Cell processors they can co-operate on problems. They've been talking about this sort of thing for years of course but the Cell is actually designed to do it. I for one quite like the idea of watching "Contact" on my TV while a PS3 sits in the background churning through SETI@home, actually this is rather unlikely as I’m not a gamer but you get the picture...



According to IBM the Cell performs 10x faster than existing CPUs on many applications. This may sound ludicrous but GPUs (Graphical Processors Units) already deliver similar or even higher sustained performance in many non-graphical applications [GPU10] . The technology in the Cell is similar to that in GPUs so such high performance is certainly well within the realm of possibilities. The big difference is though that Cell is a lot more general purpose so can be usable for a wider variety of tasks.



The Cell architecture can go further though, there's no reason why your system can't distribute software Cells over a network or even all over the world. The Cell is designed to fit into everything from (eventually) PDAs up to servers so you can make an ad-hoc Cell computer out of completely different systems.



Scaling is just one capability of the Cell architecture but the individual systems are going to be potent enough on their own. An individual Cell is one hell of a powerful processor, they have a theoretical computing capability of 256 GFLOPS (Billion Floating Point Operations per Second) [GFLOPS] at 4GHz. In the computing world quoted figures (bandwidth, processing, throughput) are often theoretical maximums and rarely if ever met in real life. Cell may be unusual in that given the right type of problem they may actually be able to get close to their maximum computational figure.



This isn’t by luck or fluke, it’s by design. The Cell’s hardware has been specifically designed to provide sufficient data to the computational elements to enable such performance. This is a rather different approach from the usual way which is to hide the slower parts of the system. All systems are limited by their slowest components [Amdahl's law] , Cell was designed not to have any slow components!
 
The PS4, and the Xbox-360 aren't really able to output at 1080p with any decent framerate yet...
60fps is not decent enough for you?? there are a few games with 1080p and 60fps. granted some of them are downloadable games but still WipEout (dynamic) and GT5 Prologue are both 1080/60

Please remember these are all rumours guys. and i think they pretty crap ones at that.

sony will definitely carry on with bluray. but i think they will use 8 or 16 speed drives. i still believe bluray will become mainstream (it is growing faster than dvd was).

also i think they will stick with the cell - i'm not sure if this is a good thing tho. too many dev's found this architecture very hard. the cell really is powerful but i just hope sony decided to go with a top gfx card instead of fully relying on the cell processor! initially they simply wanted to use 2 cell processors instead of using a graphics card and 1 cell processor.

the whole bluetooth 3.0 seems stupid. i mean why they gonna use that? firstly there is no actual bluetooth 3.0 - at the moment its bluetooth Seattle. ppl are just assuming its gonna be called 3.0. i'm not really sure what they would use bluetooth 3.0 for??
 
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Sigh... the graphics cards that the xbox 360 and ps3 use now are ancient we have the radeon 4870(which is allright) and the GTX 280 which absolutley KILLS what the ps3 and xbox360 have now. and if they are going to launch in 2011 lets say they use a gfx card from 2010 playing in XHD with 100fps is going to be childs play.

As for the memory Hynix announced their new GDDR5 memory earlier this week, these rumours are very old stuff. the specs of these consoles will change every second week.

But i won't buy the new consoles. ray tracing is becoming a reality and consoles won't be able to handle it without upgrades.
 
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fnucknut : You need to read a bit more about CPU architecture....

PC's and Laptops will pretty much always you general purpose architectures due to the varied nature of the tasks they perform. The Cell is no match for a general purpose in the normal computing arena... and when it comes to specialised tasks, the normal CPU is no match for Cell.

Ag No!

Maybe its not me that need to dotherreadinghere. FYI

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/09/30/sony.ps4.may.keep.cell/

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22957



Toshiba's Qosmios get Cell engine
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/17/toshiba.qosmio.g55.more/




Sony, Toshiba to build 45nm Cell chip in 2009
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/09/22/45nm.cell.ps3.chip.in.2009/

Seems to me the cell processing structure is truly futuristic once the correct quality programmers/Engineers master it. Maybe there is truth in the PS3 future claims after all.


Seems to me the cell processing structure is truly futuristic once the correct quality programmers/Engineers master it. Maybe there is truth in the PS3 future claims after all.[/QUOTE]

http://video.google.com/videosearch...sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#

http://www.cell-processor.net/news.php

http://www.google.com/search?source...RNWE:2005-38,RNWE:en&q=toshiba+cell+processor

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/05/09/toshiba_cell_strategy/

More?
 
Ag No!

Maybe its not me that need to dotherreadinghere. FYI




Seems to me the cell processing structure is truly futuristic once the correct quality programmers/Engineers master it. Maybe there is truth in the PS3 future claims after all.

http://video.google.com/videosearch...sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#

http://www.cell-processor.net/news.php

http://www.google.com/search?source...RNWE:2005-38,RNWE:en&q=toshiba+cell+processor

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/05/09/toshiba_cell_strategy/

More?[/QUOTE]

I was wondering why you were gone for so long :p
 
I am talking more about it lacking out-of-order execution queues etc etc...

The Cell is a brilliant chip, no doubt about it, but I would never choose a Cell Processor over an General Purpose Intel or AMD processor for normal PC work.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/05/09/toshiba_cell_strategy/ <--- Relates to using the Cell as a graphics processor.
As does this link http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/09/22/45nm.cell.ps3.chip.in.2009/ & this one http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/17/toshiba.qosmio.g55.more/ & this one http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=22957
 
I am talking more about it lacking out-of-order execution queues etc etc...

The Cell is a brilliant chip, no doubt about it, but I would never choose a Cell Processor over an General Purpose Intel or AMD processor for normal PC work.

But is it possible for cell to replace a pc processor you would agree to that maybe hey? With abit of tweeking the cell might do it but only time will tell :)
 
@ Info_Guy. As you can see I posted the info before and had to search for it

Fact is it is already out on a consumer laptop and performing well at that.
Anyway people can read the links if they care.

@ xrapidx
AT last! I found the damn info. I apologize. It is in the HiFi corp Christmass catalogue
R5000.00
See here
http://hificorporation.co.za/uploads/specials/hifi-catalogue_christmas.pdf

Specs
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...552921665364791&productId=8198552921665364791

http://www.productwiki.com/sony-str-dg820/

The Sony STR-DG820 is one of five value-priced a/v receivers to be released in 2008. The DG820 has many of the same features and specs as the step-up model Sony STR-DG920 ($600), but notably lacks analog transcoding the HDMI output. At $400, the STR-DG820 has quite a few features and impressive specifications including decoding of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.

Features
7.1 channels, 110 watts of power
four HDMI inputs
Onboard decoding for Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-High Resolution Audio and DTS-HD Master Audio
Supports x.v.Color
XM-ready with Neural Surround Sound
Includes a Sony Digital Media Port
Doesn't transcode analog source to HDMI like the STR-DG920
price: $400
release date: May 2008

Hope it is what you are looking for. I am interested too but first will read up some more.
 
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No, the Cell will not replace a normal PC Processor, and even Toshiba aren't attempting to do so, They're using the Cell based processor as a graphics replacement, or at least a chipset to offload video decoding.

So therefore the Cell chip is NOT taking on AMD/Intel, and no it is NOT out in a consumer laptop in the form that you seem to think it is.
 
No, the Cell will not replace a normal PC Processor, and even Toshiba aren't attempting to do so, They're using the Cell based processor as a graphics replacement, or at least a chipset to offload video decoding.

So therefore the Cell chip is NOT taking on AMD/Intel, and no it is NOT out in a consumer laptop in the form that you seem to think it is.

Ok just asking don't get angry :p
 
info_guy : I'm not getting angry with you at all :)... you at least can see reason....

Fnucknut on the other hand will bash his point home, regardless of the facts.
 
xbox is still fun for me, so i'm cool with what I have..i can wait for the 720 with a smile on my face knowing there's still plenty of titles for me to play on it :)
 
But i won't buy the new consoles. ray tracing is becoming a reality and consoles won't be able to handle it without upgrades.
funny you should mention ray tracing! thats basically what the ps3 cell does best (well kinda) better than any normal pc on the market. so i guess the console can handle it!!

killzone 2 actually uses a form of real-time ray tracing. also Blue-Steel

if any of you dont know what ray tracing is you really should google it. its pretty amazing!
 
The Cell is an amazing chip for what it is.... its brilliant in HPC and such like things... I will reserve judgement on whether it will ever really be a decent mainstream chip.
 
FnuckNut: Got your PM, can't reply because you've disallowed replies.

Found the info, thanks. It gets some good reviews, but audiophile forums tend to steer people clear of it.
 
As for the rumour, it's just fanboy wet dreams. It's just a number buff from the PS3 but doesn't address the PS3's fundamental flaw - that's it's too expensive to produce for a consumer device.

Well I hope it is a rumour because this sounds disastrous from a Sony standpoint. You are spot on about the fundamental flaw, and one other thing, if the PS3 was meant to have a ten year life cycle then these specs are not worth the paper they are written on. If Sony has changed their mind about the 10 year life cycle, then there are going to be a lot of angry PS3 owners out there, they are going to be angry enough not to buy a PS4.

I hope that whatever Sony do, they get it right because I seriously don't want a Wii vs XBox future.

BTW I own an XBox, I enjoy it and I am looking for games, donations welcome, Christmas is around the corner, help needy gamers. :D
 
TBH, Microsoft already has the Xbox 3 and Sony has the Playstation 4.
Prototypes sure, but we all know they have it
 
shooting themselves in the foot didnt work so now they're trying to shoot themselves in the head :) ! Seems like the ps2 might even out live the ps3 considering the way things are going @ sony ! LBP and resistance barely pushed sales and now thery're depending on a FPS (KZ2) which is going to launch in Feb (worst time of the year to lauch a game considering people are still recovering from christmas debt) what will they try next ?
 
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