Speeding biker kills traffic cop

its a pity the cops don't jump out in front of taxis!!

as an ex biker I had many incidences where dumb ass cops pull me over for no reason at all! classic one was next to the goodwood drive in on my way back to work after seen a dentist so I could barely talk - this cop pulls me over for no particlular reason (there was no speed trap they were just sitting in the shade) other than to check my licence and complain
about my "stock standard" exhaust pipe. after I tried to explain that I bought the bike NEW (yamaha 175DT) he got all agro with me cause he could not find anything wrong with it so he stood in front of the bike preventing me from leaving. fucing retard! that was the last time I stopped for a cop while on a bike and when I got my GPz1100 - they never stood a chance!

Hope the family of the tragically killed biker sues the state & the cops family for wrong full death!
 
Ancalagon said:
So if he had gone on to plough into a family minivan coming the other way and killed all of them? Then you would all be saying how useless the cop was for not stopping him.

Fact is, cops stop people because they just dont know what you will go on to do.
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Oh lol.

Cops stop people, like when they sit in the shade of a tree watching people speed way over the limit and just take photos? Where is the regard for the possible consequences of those people speeding?

This probably had nothing to do with speeding and probably more to do with random checks. You can make the excuses you want, biker was dumb, cop was dumber.
 
Ancalagon said:
So if he had gone on to plough into a family minivan coming the other way and killed all of them? Then you would all be saying how useless the cop was for not stopping him.
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Will take the hypothetical minivan over the two dead. The hypothetical does not justify poor procedure. If it did then we would employ the temporary use of tyre killers across freeways for speeders. We don't because it would be as dangerous as putting a human obstacle in front of a speeding road user.

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Hope the family of the tragically killed biker sues the state & the cops family for wrong full death!
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+1 It is actually insane that there is any debate. The biker was only allegedly speeding until it is proven in court. He had a right to a court case. He had the right to a defence. He had right of way on the highway. The traffic cop should not have the right to behave so recklessly and negligently so as to cause the biker's death.
 
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Ancalagon said:
So if he had gone on to plough into a family minivan coming the other way and killed all of them? Then you would all be saying how useless the cop was for not stopping him.

Fact is, cops stop people because they just dont know what you will go on to do.
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Hmmm, unless the biker really was doing mad speeds (excess of 200km/h), then I think the minivan would hold up just fine against the bike... Maybe the boot get crumpled, but the height of the minivan would be pretty much an advantage... So only the biker would be dead.

Besides. Look at it this way.

You riding your bike, and a car slams on breaks... Ok, you'll shift over to the other lane, or maybe wizz by the car...
However, if there's a biker riding behind a car who slams on breaks, and then cuts in front of the bike, and the biker dies... Who's fault is it?

Now, there's a biker riding, and a cop jumps out in front oh him, he panics and slams on breaks... One of two things could happen:
1) He knows he isn't going to stop, tries to change lanes, and falls off the bike -killing the cop who is in the way...
2) He just slams straight into the cop.

Most bike accidents are not causes by a biker riding at massive speeds and then driving straight into a minivan with a family in it... Most bike accidents are caused by either the biker losing control (which is actually more attributed to the biker trying to avoid a car turning into him) such as a bike sliding off the road (common - just a little sand and you off the road), or the bike was actually hit into the car... It's not common for a bike to actually drive into a car...

Besides, when I biker comes off the bike, the bike slides, which will **** up cars, but won't endanger the people in them...
 
warchylde said:
Darwin wins again. The biker shouldn't have been speeding and a very special round of applause for the dumb **** that steps into the way of a speeding vehicle. Both are at fault for taking the others lives. Sorry but no, the both should have known better

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+1

The Laws of Physics: Not just a good idea, it's the law.

I once got pulled over by a pig in Natal (the only province where they're still dumb enough to jump out in front of cars) doing 130 or 140 in a 120 zone. I was in a bakkie, towing a boat, and I wasn't going to gooi anchors and risk having the boat pass the bakkie, backwards, offroad and upside down, so I took my leisurely time to stop. Ended up half a km past the cop. We waited their for a few minutes, but lardass never walked up to us, and I wasn't going to reverse on a highway so I left.

Natal cops need to catch a wake-up. If there's enough space to stop, the why the **** are the pigs trapping there in the first place. Speeding on a straight road in the dry is safe, yet you'll never see a pig trapping in any other situation.
 
Principal Provincial Inspector (PPI) Ashrina Ramklown (33), a lecturer at the KwaZulu-Natal Traffic Training College
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as a lecturer you just have to wonder?

anyway, facts are sketchy, it's senseless trying to blame one or the other, RIP to both and condolences to the families
 
Speeding is wrong. Period. But hopefully this incident will make idiot traffic cops think twice about jumping out onto the road endagering the lives of motorists and their passengers. There's more than enough cameras to catch speeding vehicles. Why the need to pull people over in that way?

A lot of the time cops cause unsafe situations. I appreciate them doing random pullovers but some places they set up are just ridiculous like narrow or blind on ramps.
 
Making there presence known would be enough and actually giving the speeders appropriate time and space to stop. No need for the morons to jump in front of a speeding vehicle to see if it can safe them a walk.

There's a much higher chances of causing an accident then preventing it.
 
Other than the statement by the Traffic Police what proof is there that the biker was speeding? There are other issues that need to be resolved like, lighting conditions, weather and distance from bike when the cop moved into the road. The statement from the Department poses more questions than answers!! Any apportioning of blame is just a thumb suck!
 
gotta love it in South Africa, when someone is breaking the law, it's the cops fault, never the law breaker. let's do a bit of Root Cause Analysis to end this argument. what would be the most likely result of the biker approaching the cop if he wasn't speeding?

but don't get me wrong, cop was an idiot for jumping out (well, we don't know exactly what happened..for all we know is that the biker could have gotten a fright, lost control and smacked into the cop).

play with fire, die on fire. two less darwin's on the road.
 
Easy to analyze irrespective of wrongdoing: Bikes don't kill guinea-fowl,cops running in front of vehicles kill guinea-fowl
 
Carneades said:
Other than the statement by the Traffic Police what proof is there that the biker was speeding? There are other issues that need to be resolved like, lighting conditions, weather and distance from bike when the cop moved into the road. The statement from the Department poses more questions than answers!! Any apportioning of blame is just a thumb suck!
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How fast was the biker going exactly...?

IF they didn't record his speed then I foresee some problems for the traffic department on this case.
 
crackersa said:
gotta love it in South Africa, when someone is breaking the law, it's the cops fault, never the law breaker. let's do a bit of Root Cause Analysis to end this argument. what would be the most likely result of the biker approaching the cop if he wasn't speeding?

but don't get me wrong, cop was an idiot for jumping out (well, we don't know exactly what happened..for all we know is that the biker could have gotten a fright, lost control and smacked into the cop).

play with fire, die on fire. two less darwin's on the road.
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There is no proof that the person was breaking the law. Cops don't jump in front of people to catch them speeding, they do it as a random check for licences, drinking, roadworthiness etc.

If the cop jumped out of a place and the bike was riding 120 in a 120 zone it sure as hell would look like speeding to a bystander, so was he going 120? 130? 200?

Let's say he was going 130, do you believe that if he drove 10km slower there would be a different outcome?
Let's say he was going 200, did the cop really think jumping into the path of a rocket going 200km/h was a good idea? It's just as dangerous and irresponsible as the person speeding.

Or is this just a whole shift of blame from the cop's stupidity to a dead biker who can't defend himself?
 
and there's no proof that the dead biker didn't break the law except for what the news reported.

naturally didn't read my whole post, the cop was stupid for jumping out. hence why i said TWO darwins.

KalMaverick said:
There is no proof that the person was breaking the law. Cops don't jump in front of people to catch them speeding, they do it as a random check for licences, drinking, roadworthiness etc.

If the cop jumped out of a place and the bike was riding 120 in a 120 zone it sure as hell would look like speeding to a bystander, so was he going 120? 130? 200?

Let's say he was going 130, do you believe that if he drove 10km slower there would be a different outcome?
Let's say he was going 200, did the cop really think jumping into the path of a rocket going 200km/h was a good idea? It's just as dangerous and irresponsible as the person speeding.

Or is this just a whole shift of blame from the cop's stupidity to a dead biker who can't defend himself?
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I did read the whole post. I just replied specifically to the part where you assume the person broke the law.
 
These cops are so stupid, I have been saying for years that JMPD is going to have a cop killed at their "roadblocks", they setup in the darkest part of the road and then try and get supposedly "drunk" drivers to pull over and blow. This is usually done by jumping in front of the vehicle.

I really want to see new laws where;
1>all cop cars need to constantly operate with a solid blue light, this is slowly starting to happen
2> all operations, like speed trapping etc need to have a solid or flashing blue light
3> all roadblocks need to be setup with cones, road signs and full blue lights and flood lights where possible. An independant peace officer, like from the CPF etc should also conduct all the BAC tests.


The logic of some of these officers, especially JMPD of hiding and luring offenders is so stupid, how many more people are going to die horribly before this gets stopped. We had that cop who was dragged a few months ago, now this, the issue with Bees Roux etc

While I do not condone what happened, I have no sympathy for any of the parties, except their families.
 
It is sad either way.

We don't know the whole story but cops should know better and to put anyones life in danger to stop a bike wether speeding or not is silly.

If I were the family I would look at culpible homicide against the cop??

Hopefully the truth will be told.
 
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