Speeding biker kills traffic cop

Fudzy said:
He's probably one of those bikers, I've seen much worse comments on here.
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That's what I thought. I mean, what is wrong with being glad that a speedster and murderer is dead? it's not like I was cussing or anything.
He took his own life into his hands when he broke the law and then further cemented it by refusing to stop.
He took the life of an innocent person with wilful intent. That makes him a murderer in my book.
The NPA have lately been charging people who drive drunk or recklessly and then kill someone with murder.
And I like it when murderers get spread out all over the pavement.
Nothing wrong with that.
 
badtrev said:
Also what if he was an armed robber or hijacker making a getaway.
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You are right. The SAPS should employ the same tactics by simply throwing themselves in front of getaway cars :rolleyes:
 
Milano said:
You are right. The SAPS should employ the same tactics by simply throwing themselves in front of getaway cars :rolleyes:
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But this is about bikes. Our local criminals are smarter than that unfortunately.
 
Ancalagon said:
Well what else should they do? Just let speeding motorists pass by and be a danger to other vehicles on the road?

I've never seen a cop jump out on a stretch of road that you would not be able to stop on. The biker obviously wasnt paying attention, hence it was entirely his fault.
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There is no way in hell a Bike can slow down and stop at the speed a car does. So even if the biker wanted to stop in time to miss the cop he couldn't. Traffic cop should have known this...
 
Pitbull said:
There is no way in hell a Bike can slow down and stop at the speed a car does. So even if the biker wanted to stop in time to miss the cop he couldn't. Traffic cop should have known this...
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If that is the case, the speed limit for bikes should be reduced in the interest of everyone's safety.
 
Pitbull said:
There is no way in hell a Bike can slow down and stop at the speed a car does. So even if the biker wanted to stop in time to miss the cop he couldn't. Traffic cop should have known this...
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Biker should have pulled over the first time they tried to stop him...
 
supersunbird said:
Biker should have pulled over the first time they tried to stop him...
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Do not step in front of moving vehicle. Lesson nr2 when you are 5 and learn to cross the street,nr1 being to look left and right and which leads to nr2
 
Sinbad said:
If that is the case, the speed limit for bikes should be reduced in the interest of everyone's safety.
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I personally think they should remove speed limits on Bikes. Let the morons who wants to ride at 300 km/h kill themselves.
In 95% of bike accidents it's only the biker that is injured anyway.

supersunbird said:
Biker should have pulled over the first time they tried to stop him...
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:confused:

I must have missed that. But if they where trying to pull him over once before knowing he isn't going to stop, the traffic cop still jumps in front of him?
 
PsyWulf said:
Do not step in front of moving vehicle. Lesson nr2 when you are 5 and learn to cross the street,nr1 being to look left and right and which leads to nr2
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Unless you are a police officer and have the authority granted to you by the state to bring offending motorists to justice.
Lesson nr1 when you are 4 years old. Obey the law and obey the instructions of a police officer.
Everything else comes after that.
 
Milano said:
He didn't. Plan B, step out in front of him? Would you?
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I don't think her intention was to fully block his path or to use her own body to bring him to a stop. She probably misjudged the distance. Or he moved to compensate and collided with her.
The blame rests fully on him. She was just doing her job. She is supposed to enter the roadway to bring speeding motorists to a stop.
 
Garyvdh said:
Unless you are a police officer and have the authority granted to you by the state to bring offending motorists to justice.
Lesson nr1 when you are 4 years old. Obey the law and obey the instructions of a police officer.
Everything else comes after that.
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Seriously?

Will you walk out in front of a truck and "THINK" it will stop because you're a traffic cop?

Will you stand in front of a person wielding a gun as it's against the law for him to shoot you?

Come on man...
 
Pitbull said:
Seriously?
Will you walk out in front of a truck and "THINK" it will stop because you're a traffic cop?
Will you stand in front of a person wielding a gun as it's against the law for him to shoot you?
Come on man...
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No, I will not walk out in front of it (and as I said I don't think it was her plan to stand in front of the bike either).
I would stand off to the side with my hand raised making it clear that I was referring to him to pull over.
Use your common sense. Cops do this every day. It is their job. The fact that more of them are not killed means they must be doing it right, but the law of averages says that sooner or later circumstances will combine so that one of them is killed.
In this case the circumstance was a motorbike driver with no respect for the law or another human life.
We can only hope that he suffered terribly as he died, because that is the only punishment he will have to endure for his muderous intent.
 
Garyvdh said:
At least I am still alive, unlike a certain biker I just read about. I'll probably outlive all the bikers in this thread as well! ;)
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It's possible...

Just remember the most fatalities come from motorcar accidents. So statistically you're at higher risk ;)
 
Would be interesting to see the relevant section of our traffic department's procedure manual for traffic cops.

The Queensland Police have their Traffic Manual online:

PROCEDURE

Intercepting officers should:
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(v) when standing on a road, keep approaching vehicles under constant observation;
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(xi) be mindful of the possibility that a motorist may not be able to see persons standing on roadways due to reflection, sunlight, poor visibility or other reasons. Intercepting officers should also be mindful that safety at the static interception site is more important than the apprehension of motorists; and

(xii) while intercepting vehicles:

(a) wherever practicable, enter on to the road and commence giving any required directions no closer to the vehicle to be intercepted than the safety planning distance appropriate to the speed of the vehicle (see Appendix 3.3 of this chapter);

(b) not remain directly in the path of a vehicle when it is apparent that the driver of the vehicle cannot or will not stop before reaching the officer; and

(c) not move about on the road in such a manner as to require drivers of vehicles to brake suddenly or take sudden evasive action to avoid the officer.

Safety Planning Distances

Speed km/h Safety planning distance (metres)
100km/h = 300m
80km/h = 210m
70km/h = 170m
60km/h = 135m
50km/h = 105m
40km/h = 75m


Notes.

The above distances are the minimum distance within which a vehicle travelling at or near the speed listed could be safely be brought to a controlled stop. The distances are based on a 0.3 skid resistance factor, a 3 seconds perception/reaction time, vehicles travelling between 100% and 130% of the speed listed and medium braking of an approaching vehicle.

It is assumed that the approaching vehicle is travelling on a dry bitumen surface.

As the stopping distance of a vehicle is increased during wet conditions the stated distances may increase significantly to the point whereby it would be unsafe to operate under such conditions.

Should a driver have a delayed reaction to the presence of a static interception site the distance required to stop may well increase significantly.

During the hours of darkness most vehicle headlights will not provide sufficient lighting to allow a driver to perceive a hazard in excess of 150 metres in an unlit area. The driver's perception/reaction time will also be increased which will lengthen the stopping distance required.
http://www.police.qld.gov.au/rti/published/policies/traffic-manual/03/Ch_03_PT2.htm
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Seems sensible.
 
KalMaverick said:
It's possible...

Just remember the most fatalities come from motorcar accidents. So statistically you're at higher risk ;)
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Lol, if you read that on some "Think Bike" campaign pamphlet I suggest they go back and start recounting the number of cars vs. number of bikes.

On top of that, a simple fender bender which while in a car would result in you being upset could leave you wheelchair bound on a bike.
 
Fudzy said:
Lol, if you read that on some "Think Bike" campaign pamphlet I suggest they go back and start recounting the number of cars vs. number of bikes.

On top of that, a simple fender bender which while in a car would result in you being upset could leave you wheelchair bound on a bike.
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Lol, no. I actually read it in a report published by the RTMC.

That is taking into account the number of bikes and cars on the road, and guess what? Not only do motorcars cause more fatalities in quantity they also cause more fatalities taking into account ratio of cars vs bikes.
 
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