Spur Incident

[Icemanbrfc]

there are 3 kinds of people in this thread.

Racists.
Sexists
Tappits

take a long hard look at your stupid as self as you keep arguing a completely pointless topic for another week.

you are all sad sacks and regardless of what side you are on, what you are arguing, if you are being logical or believing the huisgenoot. you are all marked in my books as people who's opinion I will never ever trust on this forum again, congratulations, you proved to the forum you have no understanding of what is really important in the world

You tell them Baxteen

 

[Icemanbrfc]

Haven't watched the video, but technically you are talking about sex issues, not gender.

Sex - as in physical sex - will determine how large, aggressive and strong a person is. A transgender female, for instance, could have the strength of a man with the mind of a woman, and she would in theory be as intimidating as a similarly sized man.

After all, as we are told, sex determines physical characteristics only.

:wtf: says who? Ive seen big strong women moer a few men.. lol

 

[ToxicBunny]

I'm sorry, but that was the worst case of virtue signalling and white knighting I have ever seen. The man involved in the altercation was a monster and his actions cannot be justified, but we also can't ignore that there was a beginning, a middle and an end to this whole ordeal. If there was no beginning conflict, there would have been no end result and judging from eye witness testimony, it was the woman who became belligerent first. His actions after this are inexcusable, but some of the blame must be laid at her feat for this. If she had just appeased him all of this would never have happened and before you come running in here thinking that I'm being a bigot that only wants the woman to be subordinate, you have to be realistic in a this situation. This man presented a danger to the entire table and her only goal seemed to be to antagonize him. How does this protect the children in any way? she could have simply got rid of him, then approached management and had him removed, but she decided that their safety wasn't important. The man was being very intimidating and was obviously upset, why make the situation worse?

Oh no you didn't girlfriend....

 

[SaoirseB]

If you can't see what he was doing that doesn't make you right.

This guy does a good job explaining the gender issues.

[video=youtube_share;l3Ge-69KgiU]https://youtu.be/l3Ge-69KgiU[/video]

Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing it. Never really looked at age as a form of power before.

I applaud that man and the other men in this thread who get it. The rest are too defensive about something to even consider how threatened the woman must have felt in order to respond the way she did.

 

[Ancalagon]

:wtf: says who? Ive seen big strong women moer a few men.. lol

On average, men will be much heavier and stronger than women. We are stronger and faster. That is just how it is.

Ask the Olympic Organising Committee - if they didn't separate men and women in the various categories, men would win any sport in which being strong or fast gives you advantage, with no exceptions.

 

[Icemanbrfc]

On average, men will be much heavier and stronger than women. We are stronger and faster. That is just how it is.

Ask the Olympic Organising Committee - if they didn't separate men and women in the various categories, men would win any sport in which being strong or fast gives you advantage, with no exceptions.

i know, was being sarcastic. However, in this instance, whether she was wrong or not, the Guy was very aggressive towards that lady. Thus the question is, would he have acted in the same manner, had it been a bigger stronger guy than him? Again, both equally wrong, because it was not the place for all of that.

 

[Vegeta]

Thus the question is, would he have acted in the same manner, had it been a bigger stronger guy than him?

Even if the guy wasn't bigger or stronger he wouldn't have acted in that manner and even if he did the result would have been very very different. Even a smaller male driven by rage fueled by adrenalin and testosterone would have helped him on his way to the hospital.

 

[Vrotappel]

I'm sorry, but that was the worst case of virtue signalling and white knighting I have ever seen. The man involved in the altercation was a monster and his actions cannot be justified, but we also can't ignore that there was a beginning, a middle and an end to this whole ordeal. If there was no beginning conflict, there would have been no end result and judging from eye witness testimony, it was the woman who became belligerent first. His actions after this are inexcusable, but some of the blame must be laid at her feat for this. If she had just appeased him all of this would never have happened and before you come running in here thinking that I'm being a bigot that only wants the woman to be subordinate, you have to be realistic in a this situation. This man presented a danger to the entire table and her only goal seemed to be to antagonize him. How does this protect the children in any way? she could have simply got rid of him, then approached management and had him removed, but she decided that their safety wasn't important. The man was being very intimidating and was obviously upset, why make the situation worse?

Cloudster is going to send you for brain training classes.

 

[SaoirseB]

I'm sorry, but that was the worst case of virtue signalling and white knighting I have ever seen. The man involved in the altercation was a monster and his actions cannot be justified, but we also can't ignore that there was a beginning, a middle and an end to this whole ordeal. If there was no beginning conflict, there would have been no end result and judging from eye witness testimony, it was the woman who became belligerent first. His actions after this are inexcusable, but some of the blame must be laid at her feat for this. If she had just appeased him all of this would never have happened and before you come running in here thinking that I'm being a bigot that only wants the woman to be subordinate, you have to be realistic in a this situation. This man presented a danger to the entire table and her only goal seemed to be to antagonize him. How does this protect the children in any way? she could have simply got rid of him, then approached management and had him removed, but she decided that their safety wasn't important. The man was being very intimidating and was obviously upset, why make the situation worse?

Never mind why the hell she should have to appease him, what makes you think you can appease a bully? In fact why should we be appeasing bullies? Why should we be living in a society where we cater to the bullies by appeasing them?

I wonder about his girlfriend that he strangled. What must she have done to provoke him? Maybe she didn't appease him enough.

 

[S7wede]

Never mind why the hell she should have to appease him, what makes you think you can appease a bully? In fact why should we be appeasing bullies? Why should we be living in a society where we cater to the bullies by appeasing them?

I wonder about his girlfriend that he strangled. What must she have done to provoke him? Maybe she didn't appease him enough.

She shouldn't have to appease anyone, I agree, but once the situation presents itself, her first priority HAS to be the children otherwise she is a pitiful human being. Remove the danger, then deal with the issue.

 

[Cray]

Never mind why the hell she should have to appease him, what makes you think you can appease a bully? In fact why should we be appeasing bullies? Why should we be living in a society where we cater to the bullies by appeasing them?

I wonder about his girlfriend that he strangled. What must she have done to provoke him? Maybe she didn't appease him enough.

This, I wonder how many people on this thread would place some of the blame on a battered woman for "antagonizing" her abuser...

 

[Cray]

She shouldn't have to appease anyone, I agree, but once the situation presents itself, her first priority HAS to be the children otherwise she is a pitiful human being. Remove the danger, then deal with the issue.

You are, of course, assuming that being meek and mild would have defused the situation...? He already made a grab for her kid, perhaps she felt that she had to stand up to him..

 

[S7wede]

This, I wonder how many people on this thread would place some of the blame on a battered woman for "antagonizing" her abuser...

there is a lovely video done by Bill Burr that I think you should watch

You are, of course, assuming that being meek and mild would have defused the situation...? He already made a grab for her kid, perhaps she felt that she had to stand up to him..

I'm talking about before it got to that point. When he initially told her about the alleged attack on his daughter.

 

[Icemanbrfc]

Even if the guy wasn't bigger or stronger he wouldn't have acted in that manner and even if he did the result would have been very very different. Even a smaller male driven by rage fueled by adrenalin and testosterone would have helped him on his way to the hospital.

perhaps, but again, as far as im concerned, this whole sequence of events was just unnecessary. Lets be honest here, these things happen so much in these kids play areas, some by accident, some not so much. However, the point here is, that did the guy only see what the black child did to his daughter, or did he see everything? If his daughter caused the issue, and the black kid retaliated which he saw, then clearly he is in the wrong, if he knows what happened? Its a real shame imo that we have grown adults that behave like this in public

 

[ToxicBunny]

You are, of course, assuming that being meek and mild would have defused the situation...? He already made a grab for her kid, perhaps she felt that she had to stand up to him..

He walked away from the table twice and her ranting and raving brought him back both times.... so trying to diffuse the situation more than likely would have worked, or at least just stopping the ranting and swearing when he walked away the first time.

 

[SaoirseB]

She shouldn't have to appease anyone, I agree, but once the situation presents itself, her first priority HAS to be the children otherwise she is a pitiful human being. Remove the danger, then deal with the issue.

I agree that her first priority should have been protecting those children. But I think it's very few people who would not have reacted emotionally if someone grabbed your child and commanded you do something.

 

[Craig_]

He walked away from the table twice and her ranting and raving brought him back both times.... so trying to diffuse the situation more than likely would have worked, or at least just stopping the ranting and swearing when he walked away the first time.

He could also have just walked away, could he not?

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

How old was the boy doing the slapping? Apparently he was 8 or 9y old while the little girl was 5 ! Can someone confirm the age of the boy? For whatever reason, it seems to be a closely guarded secret.

 

[S7wede]

I agree that her first priority should have been protecting those children. But I think it's very few people who would not have reacted emotionally if someone grabbed your child and commanded you do something.

Correct, once he manhandled the child, all bets were off and she had every right to carry on and whatnot, but I'm specifically talking about what happened BEFORE he grabbed the child.

He could also have just walked away, could he not?

Absolutely, which is why he is at fault as well. They both acted like terrible human beings.

 

[Marius Flash]