Spur Incident

[Vegeta]

perhaps, but again, as far as im concerned, this whole sequence of events was just unnecessary. Lets be honest here, these things happen so much in these kids play areas, some by accident, some not so much. However, the point here is, that did the guy only see what the black child did to his daughter, or did he see everything? If his daughter caused the issue, and the black kid retaliated which he saw, then clearly he is in the wrong, if he knows what happened? Its a real shame imo that we have grown adults that behave like this in public

It's irrelevant what the kids did. It's appalling what he did, if i'm disgusted as a man imagine what women must think of us then. We really are whats wrong with the world. Or some pathetic examples of us atleast.

We are big and strong for a reason, to protect our women & children from danger not to terrorize them.

 

[Cray]

there is a lovely video done by Bill Burr that I think you should watch
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Care to paraphrase his argument? He's a funny guy I agree but am assuming you believe there is some kind of underlying point that he is trying to make..?

 

[S7wede]

Care to paraphrase his argument? He's a funny guy I agree but am assuming you believe there is some kind of underlying point that he is trying to make..?

He's basically saying that not every case where a man gets violent with a woman is as cut and dry as simple abuse. There are always factors into how it happened and these need to be examined before final judgement can be given. Regardless of these, it's never OK to hit a woman but sometimes the blame cannot be laid squarely at the mans feet.

 

[Craig_]

How old was the boy doing the slapping? Apparently he was 8 or 9y old while the little girl was 5 ! Can someone confirm the age of the boy? For whatever reason, it seems to be a closely guarded secret.

Watch both videos, has been mentioned in this thread many many times. The child is 3, and that's a tiny 3 year old.

 

[SaoirseB]

How old was the boy doing the slapping? Apparently he was 8 or 9y old while the little girl was 5 ! Can someone confirm the age of the boy? For whatever reason, it seems to be a closely guarded secret.

There were no boys involved. That I can at least tell you. They were two little girls.

Correct, once he manhandled the child, all bets were off and she had every right to carry on and whatnot, but I'm specifically talking about what happened BEFORE he grabbed the child.

Absolutely, which is why he is at fault as well. They both acted like terrible human beings.

We do not know definitively what happened BEFORE hand as there was no audio to the CCTV. However, what we do know is that he is a violent person and I have a hard time imagining him approaching her with calm. Someone like that is usually spoiling for a fight before they approach. I can't imagine he approached her calmly and she right off went bat **** crazy. No sane human would react like that.

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Oh just shut up and grab a glass of wine or beer or whatever. None of us are stopping until we convert the others, so hold thumbs for 200 pages.

 

[SaoirseB]

It's irrelevant what the kids did. It's appalling what he did, if i'm disgusted as a man imagine what women must think of us then. We really are whats wrong with the world. Or some pathetic examples of us atleast.

We are big and strong for a reason, to protect our women & children from danger not to terrorize them.

I love you.

 

[Craig_]

There were no boys involved. That I can at least tell you. They were two little girls.



We do not know definitively what happened BEFORE hand as there was no audio to the CCTV. However, what we do know is that he is a violent person and I have a hard time imagining him approaching her with calm. Someone like that is usually spoiling for a fight before they approach. I can't imagine he approached her calmly and she right off went bat **** crazy. No sane human would react like that.



Oh just shut up and grab a glass of wine or beer or whatever. None of us are stopping until we convert the others, so hold thumbs for 200 pages.

I don't ever see this happening. Some people will just never change.

 

[SaoirseB]

Then I guess round and round we go

 

[skeptic_SA]

1549 posts and not one suggestion that this is all PMS related. Proud of all the guys on this thread.

 

[rezabz]

1549 posts and not one suggestion that this is all PMS related. Proud of all the guys on this thread.

Men suffer from PMS?

Ohhh you mean... just that particular "man"

 

[Former member 61586]

It's irrelevant what the kids did. It's appalling what he did, if i'm disgusted as a man imagine what women must think of us then. We really are whats wrong with the world. Or some pathetic examples of us atleast.

We are big and strong for a reason, to protect our women & children from danger not to terrorize them.

Old school, and how I was raised.

 

[Vegeta]

Old school, and how I was raised.

It's as if these type of guys never had sisters, mothers or grandmothers. What happened to respecting the sex that bares life man.

I remember hitting my sister as a boy and my dad unleashing hell on me, I remember his words: "I don't care what she did you are bigger, stronger and only cowards fight those that can't defend themselves."

Another one I remember when being disrespectful to an older woman: "You have to learn respect that woman could have been your mother!" Usually followed by a smack.

 

[skimread]

The Spur man is very lucky the father of the kid wasn't there. He wanted to react violently but because it was a woman he didn't. If it was a man he would have hit him and then he would be facing assault charges and the ANC would be organizing rallies at his court case. He came off easy.

 

[Vrotappel]

The Spur man is very lucky the father of the kid wasn't there. He wanted to react violently but because it was a woman he didn't. If it was a man he would have hit him and then he would be facing assault charges and the ANC would be organizing rallies at his court case. He came off easy.

Maybe the man would have reacted more reasonably? It takes two to tango.

 

[Icemanbrfc]

It's irrelevant what the kids did. It's appalling what he did, if i'm disgusted as a man imagine what women must think of us then. We really are whats wrong with the world. Or some pathetic examples of us atleast.

We are big and strong for a reason, to protect our women & children from danger not to terrorize them.

I agree with you, but still we dont know the actual truth. But yeh, any man who threatens a female or child, or causea harm should hang his head in shame, and possibly shot! But hey, our society are pretty much fecked these days.

 

[Icemanbrfc]

I love you.

 

[Swa]

Looking at this thread and following the arguments its very clear that this issue is devided by race mostly. If it were two white family's people would not have blown up the incident the way it currently is.

Not just race but also sex. If it had been two white males everyone would have been in agreement that they both acted like buffoons.

Once again, ignorance and stupidity reigns

Let's say she was "egging him on", not true from the hard evidence though as all I saw was someone defending themselves and her child, but okay let's say your unlikely, self created narrative is true. No matter how much you are "egged on" if you get violent the way he did, you are still as guilty of assault. You think a judge will say "oh you assaulted this person, BUT they totally egged you on so... not guilty!"

Indeed it does. To say it for the ****ing umpteenth time now, it's not our narrative but eye witness accounts. There was also no physical assault on the 50 second soundless video you saw and any magistrate would agree. Open your bloody mind to the facts.

And that "eyewitness account" you keep referring to happens to be a friend of his. Now should we believe the hard, video evidence or his bud? In your silly little bias world I'm sure the latter right?

Bias? Roflol. How do you ****ing know it's his friends? Did you interview all of them? Does he have black friends? Would a black friend defend him if he really did just go up to a black woman and "assaulted" her? Stop making up facts.

YOU are the one framing it like that. Go back and read every single one of my posts. No objectivity whatsoever. Free yourself and release your mind from its tiny little cage, that's the only way it will ever grow..... and it has ALOT of growing to do.

At least mine still has some room to grow.

Exactly this! You don't threaten and even go as far as attacking someone who's egging you on. Be a ****ing adult and control yourself.

He dug his own hole by reacting the way he did. If he kept his cool and asked for the CCTV footage that shows her child hitting his, then he would have had a foot to stand on and not lose all respect.

He was moron with a fragile big man attitude.

They BOTH dug their own holes. Unfortunately the punishment is yet again not equal.

The debate at hand is not whether this was an incident based on racism. The issue is that many on this forum will not assign blame to a man who clearly was in the wrong. From fabricating false narratives of him being oh so polite and civil when initially approaching this woman (based on an account from his friend and totally contrary to the hard, video evidence available) to placing the blame on the woman for "egging him on" even in the light of clear evidence that he grabbed her god child in a violent manner, threatened to hit her by way of physical and verbal intimidation and caused a table full of kids to start crying when he lifted their table.

The issue here is the lack of assigning blame and accountability to this man and deflecting with every poor excuse in the book, all based on bias.

There is no evidence that this was a race based attack and I never insinuated this, heck most people advocating that the man is a violent imbecile are not. The only people who keep bringing up race ironically are the people defending this man. Which leads to other questions as to where their bias is entrenched.

The issue here is absolving a women who reacted like a maniac when approached in a calm manner from all blame. Where is this supposed hard video evidence showing otherwise? There is none as Spur has decided not to release it. Now we're even at the point of making up kids crying at the table. Way to go white knight.

You are making this about race and sex, or are you too unaware to even realize this?

This isn't about black rights or women's rights, it's a human rights issue. No human being should be subject to a bully assaulting her child (god child in this case), his/her and a table full of kids in her care.

Now I wonder, it seems like you are the one who has formulated a different table of human rights, divided by race and gender. Seeing as you are so strongly advocating against the above mentioned rights of this woman. Black women should shut the hell up and just be good, submissive blacks when white men tell them to discipline their kids. Is that what you are suggesting? That's certainly what it looks like from you and the defenders of this menace's comments on here.

No, that's what you choose to see, because you are the one who wants it to be about race and sex. And I'm the one who's making it about sex? So this wasn't said?

Actually I meant 'you men' broadly because I don't believe any man can really understand some things about being a woman, just like I don't believe women can really understand some things about being a man.

I don't understand what it is like to have a penis. I don't understand the pressures of being a man. I don't understand men's aggression, even if I understand the biology of it.

Things that are common to both genders I can understand, but I don't always understand a man's reaction to certain things.

And there are things men don't understand about being a woman. In particular I find that men just do not understand a woman's physical vulnerability. Yes sure you can go get self-defense training and that kind of stuff, but men don't have to. Don't even think it is necessary. No-one says to a man - well go get self-defense classes. No-one says to a man - carry a self-defense spray, learn how to put your car keys through your fingers so you can rake at an attacker. No-one says to a man - don't park too far from the building, make sure the area is well lit etc. Men just don't walk around with that constant awareness of their weakness. And if a man does feel weak and threatened he responds with aggression. If a woman responds with aggression (like this lady did in the Spur) she gets attacked again for doing so. It's wrong. It's unladylike. She should have [fill in passive non-aggressive response of your choice]. Even other women will attack her for her 'aggression'. Yet if, in the same situation, a guy stands up and gives as good as he gets he is applauded for it. Yay go get him! Hit him!

The double-standard and the bias is so deeply entrenched most, if not all, of you aren't even aware of prejudiced you are. Women are not allowed to stand up for themselves. Not allowed to defend themselves verbally. Not allowed to assert themselves.

Even worse the actions of an abusive man are all too often defended. She aggravated him - no he was aggressive from the start and was only going to get worse no matter what she did. She didn't stop - why should she? Was he? She swore at him - well so is his male ego so fragile he can't take it? He certainly expected her to sit there and take whatever he said. I can go on. The bottom line remains - this man was angry abuser - every sign is there - and nothing was going appease him.

You're fooling yourself if you believe any of that.

 

[Cray]

They BOTH dug their own holes. Unfortunately the punishment is yet again not equal.

Only one of them threatened and committed physical violence, how is the punishment not equal?

 

[Binary_Bark]

/getting out of hand and enough circles run. Just close the thread already

 

[TheChamp]

How old was the boy doing the slapping? Apparently he was 8 or 9y old while the little girl was 5 ! Can someone confirm the age of the boy? For whatever reason, it seems to be a closely guarded secret.

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