Starlink cutoff chaos

[PaulGherkin]

You couldn't get mobile internet in Cape Town???? crazy stuff
But your Area already had Satellite broadband, expensive yes , but it is there
and these companies actually comply with our laws and contribute towards our economy.

The thing I struggle with most is what problem is star link solving, that requires us to modify our laws, just to accommodate star link , and so far I have not seen a convincing argument. Just opinions based on limited personal experiences.

You are so out of your depth it's scary.
Just so that you are aware, I couldn't afford wireless crappy internet in the area at the time. I could choose to pay R2500/month for shaped, throttled capped wireless internet, and starve, or have enough food to eat and get by with BORROWING an LTE router and SIM from someone who could help. Because TELKOM SAID MY AREA IS NOT COVERED and Vodacom were not interested.

The router/SIM were from JHB, loaned to us for a monthly fee. We did this until we could get a better place to stay and I had a salary increase. Where we moved to the area had Octotel FTTH, and the price of that has never been anywhere near what I would have paid for that crappy wireless internet

 

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The lady troll is back....

Lady only speaks facts, I'm just passionate, but most above all I am a Patriot.

 

[PaulGherkin]

Lady only speaks facts, I'm just passionate, but most above all I am a Patriot.

Oh dear, a troll indeed. Or a bot.
Ignore list entries updated

 

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You are so out of your depth it's scary.
Just so that you are aware, I couldn't afford wireless crappy internet in the area at the time. I could choose to pay R2500/month for shaped, throttled capped wireless internet, and starve, or have enough food to eat and get by with BORROWING an LTE router and SIM from someone who could help. Because TELKOM SAID MY AREA IS NOT COVERED and Vodacom were not interested.

The router/SIM were from JHB, loaned to us for a monthly fee. We did this until we could get a better place to stay and I had a salary increase. Where we moved to the area had Octotel FTTH, and the price of that has never been anywhere near what I would have paid for that crappy wireless internet

I agree with you our internet pricing is all over the place, now that's a problem that needs a solution.
Wireless has gotten better LTE-A is nice, Last week i was in Venda in some village, and i had 5g on airmobile, practically everywhere I went.
But star link is not the answer.

But since you want Government to make an exemption for Star link, then you wouldn't mind if the government creates tax exemption for ISP's
so we can reduce prices. See there I solved it for you.

 

[Sopbeen]

But since you want Government to make an exemption for Star link, then you wouldn't mind if the government creates tax exemption for ISP's
so we can reduce prices. See there I solved it for you.

Please explain how tax breaks will make internet cheaper and not just increase profits for the companies involved? They have no DUTY to make their products cheaper. Their only obligation is to their shareholders and they want profit above all else.

You don't even seem to know how business works lol

 

[Brian_G]

But star link is not the answer.

Nobody here thinks it's "the answer". It's a choice, and we will have that choice as well.

 

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Oh. So your solution is to use a completely inferior product at a much higher price.

You guys are truly in lala land.

Hihi, let me ask you this,
Two companies :

Company 1: Sells internet for R250,
is based oversees

Company 2: Sells internet for R500
is based in South Africa
Employs 2 people

Wich one cost more?

 

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Nobody here thinks it's "the answer". It's a choice, and we will have that choice as well.

I agree, but first Star link has to comply with our laws. We shouldn't bend backwards for them. They should be begging us.
Because that's how Awesome we are as South Africans.

Any corporation that wants to do business in our shores should be dancing to our tune, not the other way around.

 

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Please explain how tax breaks will make internet cheaper and not just increase profits for the companies involved? They have no DUTY to make their products cheaper. Their only obligation is to their shareholders and they want profit above all else.

You don't even seem to know how business works lol

lol, because we will enforce it???????

 

[Brian_G]

I agree, but first Star link has to comply with our laws. We shouldn't bend backwards for them.

As long as our laws and their application is reasonable, sure.. BUT... I've got news for you

They should be begging us.
Because that's how Awesome we are as South Africans.

Any corporation that wants to do business in our shores should be dancing to our tune, not the other way around.

No dear, business doesn't work like that.

 

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As long as our laws and their application is reasonable, sure.. BUT... I've got news for you


No dear, business doesn't work like that.

Our laws are reasonable all our ISPs comply with them, what makes star link special??

Thats exactly how business works, a business that wants to do business in a foreign country should align itself with the values of that country it plans to do business in, if it doesn't then it is a form of disrespect.

Look at China, when China says Jump they all ask how high. I respect that.

 

[Brian_G]

Our laws are reasonable all our ISPs comply with them, what makes star link special??

Thats exactly how business works, a business that wants to do business in a foreign country should align itself with the values of that country it plans to do business in, if it doesn't then it is a form of disrespect.

Look at China, when China says Jump they all ask how high. I respect that.

Good luck with your free-for-all socialist concepts. Doesn't work right in reality, never did, never will.

I'm done

 

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Good luck with your free-for-all socialist concepts. Doesn't work right in reality, never did, never will.

I'm done

Thanks for playing

 

[Sopbeen]

Hihi, let me ask you this,
Two companies :

Company 1: Sells internet for R250,
is based oversees

Company 2: Sells internet for R500
is based in South Africa
Employs 2 people

Wich one cost more?

Oh you mean the satelite internet providers? The ones that use Hughesnet satelites for their backbone? Please explain how much of their pitiful markup they get to keep inside of the economy versus how much they pass on to hughesnet, whom is based in the USA, much the same as starlink.

So all of the underserved population of this country needs to suffer so that, PERHAPS, a few people get to be employed and resellers like morclick et al gets to skim a marginal markup.

You're a fool.

 

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Oh you mean the satelite internet providers? The ones that use Hughesnet satelites for their backbone? Please explain how much of their pitiful markup they get to keep inside of the economy versus how much they pass on to hughesnet, whom is based in the USA, much the same as starlink.

So all of the underserved population of this country needs to suffer so that, PERHAPS, a few people get to be employed and resellers like morclick et al gets to skim a marginal markup.

You're a fool.

Like i said

Company A is based oversees
Company B is based in South Africa

Which is cheaper?

FYI, I have been courteously answering questions I was asked, if you aren't going to do the same, then you shouldn't even bother
I don't like idle chatter.

 

[Sopbeen]

Like i said

Company A is based oversees
Company B is based in South Africa

Which is cheaper?

FYI, I have been courteously answering questions I was asked, if you aren't going to do the same, then you shouldn't even bother
I don't like idle chatter.

Bro you're making up hypotheticals while I (and the rest of the folks) over here giving you the practical examples. You seem to be grasping at straws while ignoring the realities that people have already pointed out to you.

I literally own a piece of land that has no cell reception and has no broadband. Paying R1500 for capped and shaped 20mbit satelite internet is kak. Even comparing that service to something like starlink is a joke.

"I don't like idle chatter" except thats all you post. What companies are you talking about? NAME them. Give examples of their service. Or else this is all "idle chatter".

 

[SauRoNZA]

There has been a substantial decrease in the number of households that don’t have access to the Internet in South Africa, the 2022 Census shows.

In the previous census conducted in 2011, 64.8% of surveyed households said they did not have Internet connectivity.

There were an estimated 14.4 million households in South Africa in 2011, which meant that roughly 9.3 million did not have access to the web.

In the latest count, the percentage of surveyed households without Internet access shrunk to 21.1%.

The Census 2022 estimated that households had grown to about 17.8 million, which suggests that about 3.8 million households do not have Internet connectivity.

From another perspective, the number of households with Internet in South Africa grew over three-fold — from less than 5.1 million to 15.8 million.

Households that only access the Internet from their places of work or elsewhere also decreased from 10.3% to 5%.

Whereas only 16.3% of households said they had a cellphone or mobile device in 2011, 60.5% had one in 2022.

There was also a slight increase from 8.6% to 13.3% of surveyed households who said they had a home broadband connection — working out to about 2.4 million homes.

The graph below from Stats SA shows how people’s access to the Internet in South Africa has changed since the last census.

Analytico’s 2022 South African Fibre Report showed network operators passed about 3.9 million homes with fibre — which is one of the most popular forms of home connectivity.

By June 2022, the ten biggest fibre network operators (FNOs) had roughly 1.3 million connected customers between them.

The outstanding households from the Census 2022 could be accounted for by those using alternative broadband products — like LTE, 5G, fixed-wireless, DSL, and satellite packages.

Access to the internet is not a very useful metric...especially if most of those are 1mbit connections at R1 a megabyte.

Now if you had said the majority had access to reasonable uncapped internet...say 5Mbit at a reasonable price of less than R250 a month I could start agreeing with you but this is simply not reality.

 

[MacAfrican]

Nothing prevents me buying a sat phone or something like Iridium GO wifi point and airtime on any of dozens of international sites and using it anywhere on earth that has coverage. ICASA can do handstands, they can’t prevent that. There is no need for an ISP of whatever ownership persuasion either. Why is StarLink different?

One part of reason is SL uses ground stations that routes traffic over fiber to the rest of internet so they need governments. The likes of Iridium is slow and small data and they ground at only half a dozen spots globally.

I think part of SL approach is business/profit. Take roaming for instance. There should be (for SL) almost no difference from where in the world I connect to them : they have satellites everywhere. If I want portable internet, I must however PAY MORE. In reality whether the Mini sits on my house or moves around with me is an advantage for me that makes no difference to SL and it can charge more, so it does.

The most obvious example of where this is purely about money is on water. You can use your Mini at your house uncapped for X amount. If you want to use it while traveling, you pay extra Y to use it on safari or somewhere remote. If you want to use it on a boat, you have to pay $250 per month for a capped 50Gb deal. It makes no difference to SL whether I use my Mini in France or Morocco on roam but if I want it on my boat on the ocean they know they can charge a fortune for a restricted service, so they do. They imagine that their speed is worth the $250 for 50Gb capped compared to the slow speed on Iridium GO or message service on Garmin Inreach. Boaters aren’t going for SL because SL is only a carrier whereas Garmin Inreach for example offers a full SOS Search and Rescue coordination with InReach.

In the end it is profit game. The Mini for example costs a third as much to buy and a third as much monthly in for example Panama as in the US. Why? SL knows the target market in Panama cannot pay the equivalent of what users in America are willing to pay, so they have to charge less for the exact same hardware and service.

 

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Bro you're making up hypotheticals while I (and the rest of the folks) over here giving you the practical examples. You seem to be grasping at straws while ignoring the realities that people have already pointed out to you.

I literally own a piece of land that has no cell reception and has no broadband. Paying R1500 for capped and shaped 20mbit satelite internet is kak. Even comparing that service to something like starlink is a joke.

"I don't like idle chatter" except thats all you post. What companies are you talking about? NAME them. Give examples of their service. Or else this is all "idle chatter".

I see you don't even remember why the conversation started, no point. it's like you can't hold one single thought and stick to it. You are all over the place moving goal posts.

 

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Access to the internet is not a very useful metric...especially if most of those are 1mbit connections at R1 a megabyte.

Now if you had said the majority had access to reasonable uncapped internet...say 5Mbit at a reasonable price of less than R250 a month I could start agreeing with you but this is simply not reality.

But that's not the Argument.