State capture inquiry begins

surface said:
I think there should be a law to jail anyone the moment their name is mentioned in the newspapers. Then, we will feel good.
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We can vilify Zuma, Hlaudi, Brian Molefe, Malema and others who have never been found guilty in a court of law. Why not Ranjeni? She needs to explain herself.

Personally, I'm deeply suspicious of all those who backed Zuma post Shaik-trial. To me, they're either tolerant of corruption, or else lack the faculties to distinguish right from wrong.

Their subsequent fallouts with Zuma were more about egos and snouts at the trough than about ethics. Even those Zuma-ites from ten years ago who don't have major corruption allegations (Vavi/Blade) still need to do more to show contrition - like completely withdrawing from all activism as a start.
 
TysonRoux said:
Absurd that all these cases are on ice waiting the finalization of the Zondo Commission.

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Richard Mdluli went on family holiday abroad, courtesy of CI slush fund - Zondo hears

Former Crime Intelligence boss Richard Mdluli and his spouse jetted to Hong Kong for a family holiday using state funds from the division's secret service account normally used to finance covert operations.
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All these cases? Many are protected by the proclamation,

https://www.sastatecapture.org.za/uploads/PROCLAMATION_NO_8_OF_2018.pdf (PDF)

[No evidence regarding questions and answers contemplated in subregulation (1), and no evidence regarding any fact or information that comes to light in consequence of any such questions or answers, shall be admissible in any criminal proceedings, excepts in criminal proceedings where the person concerned is charged with an offence in terms of section 6 of the Commissions Act, 1947 (Act No. 8 of 1947), or regulation 12]

A self-incriminationing answer or a statement given by a witness before the Commission shall not be admissible as evidence against that person in any criminal proceedings brought against that person instituted in any court, except in criminal proceedings where the person concerned is charged with an offence in terms of section 6 of the Commissions Act 1947 Act No. 8 of 1947
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Section 6 only applies when the witnesses are proved to have lied in their testimony or was unable to answer a question (such as with Zuma's testimony) and is unable to produce any material evidence in their possession, custody or under their control. A conviction under this section... maximum 12 months imprisonment.
 
TysonRoux said:
Why was CR blocking this?

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Ramaphosa loses court bid to prevent release of Zuma reshuffle records

The presidency has lost a bid for leave to appeal a court ruling that ordered the release of records relating to the cabinet reshuffle two years ago that saw Pravin Gordhan removed as minister of finance by then-president Jacob Zuma.
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Headline is misleading IMO. The case was lodged during the Zuma era, and the Presidency chose to continue since it raises constitutional issues. The court basically said stop wasting our time, get on with governance, until the next Zupta comes along...
 
TysonRoux said:
Why was CR blocking this?

https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...to-prevent-release-of-zuma-reshuffle-records/
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More detailed legal explanation: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opi...rt-fails-to-provide-judiciary-with-certainty/
One must accept that the dispute regarding the firing by former president Jacob Zuma of his finance minister Pravin Gordhan and deputy finance minister Mcebisi Jonas was no longer a live dispute and that the merits of the Zuma decision were not decided by the High Court. However, on the face of it, the High Court judgment appears to be a significant case of judicial overreach, trenching as it does on the domain of the executive powers.
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3WA said:
We can vilify Zuma, Hlaudi, Brian Molefe, Malema and others who have never been found guilty in a court of law. Why not Ranjeni? She needs to explain herself.

Personally, I'm deeply suspicious of all those who backed Zuma post Shaik-trial. To me, they're either tolerant of corruption, or else lack the faculties to distinguish right from wrong.

Their subsequent fallouts with Zuma were more about egos and snouts at the trough than about ethics. Even those Zuma-ites from ten years ago who don't have major corruption allegations (Vavi/Blade) still need to do more to show contrition - like completely withdrawing from all activism as a start.
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Fair enough. Zuma years have done so much damage that we suspect everyone now.
 
Gordon_R said:
Headline is misleading IMO. The case was lodged during the Zuma era, and the Presidency chose to continue since it raises constitutional issues. The court basically said stop wasting our time, get on with governance, until the next Zupta comes along...
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Good TLDR . :thumbsup:I think I am not going to read anything on this specific topic.
 
Kobus Roelofse - The Hawks investigator told the commission that among the beneficiaries of a secret service account used as a slush fund were two police ministers: the incumbent Bheki Cele and his penultimate predecessor Nathi Mthethwa.
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Bheki Cele was paid to approve restructuring of Crime Intelligence, claims Hawks investigator

Over the course of two days’ testimony at the Zondo Commission, Hawks investigator Kobus Roelofse has lifted the lid on a cauldron of corruption at South Africa’s Crime Intelligence. Those implicated …
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TysonRoux said:
Absurd that all these cases are on ice waiting the finalization of the Zondo Commission.

www.sowetanlive.co.za

Richard Mdluli went on family holiday abroad, courtesy of CI slush fund - Zondo hears

Former Crime Intelligence boss Richard Mdluli and his spouse jetted to Hong Kong for a family holiday using state funds from the division's secret service account normally used to finance covert operations.
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Lets hope this ANC POS gets an appropriate sentence.

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Mdluli sentencing proceedings postponed to November

Mdluli and his co-accused Mthembeni Mthunzi appeared in court on Thursday morning for sentencing proceedings.
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TysonRoux said:
Lets hope this ANC POS gets an appropriate sentence.

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Mdluli sentencing proceedings postponed to November

Mdluli and his co-accused Mthembeni Mthunzi appeared in court on Thursday morning for sentencing proceedings.
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The Mduli scum kidnapped and murdered, and on bail, ......why no outcry?

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ANCWL: No bail for Amy’Leigh De Jager kidnapping accused

The African National Congress Women's League in Sedibeng demonstrated outside the Vanderbijlpark Magistrates Court where the kidnapping case of Amy’Leigh De Jager was being heard.
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TysonRoux said:
Is this an EWN typo?

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Zondo struggles to find reasons why Richard Mdluli documents were classified

Zondo said he is ready to hear from National Police Commissioner Khehla Sitole on the status of the documents.
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News24 seems to have better grammar and fact checkers (at least these days they do). See: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...ssified-crime-intelligence-documents-20190923
State capture inquiry chairperson Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo says the commission is determined to get answers from national police commissioner General Khehla Sitole on why documents relating to various crime intelligence activities are not declassified.

This comes after testimony by senior Hawks investigator Colonel Kobus Roelofse who told the commission he had battled for seven years to get access to classified documents, and to declassify others, related to his investigations but that these were ignored.
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