'Stop moaning' about Telkom

What a poorly thought out and constructed article!
As to the suggestion that Telkom sell-off Vodacom to unlock value in the Vodacom stock, its debatable that that will benefit anyone but whoever buys it.
Selling Vodacom could very well be the end of Telkom on the JSE. The fixed line business is a mess and has been declining for years. It needs massive capital to be spent and its most lucrative portions are about to be subject to harsh competition (we hope).
Does the journos name not perhaps start with a "D"?:D
 
Just take a look at "Traitor" Vic. Looks like the typical old-school type who liked the country's business being state owned back-in-the-day. Clearly the man himself owns many a Telkom share and has made a pretty penny over the last few years as Telkom's profits have increased dramatically.

I'm suprised he even knows what ADSL is, because he obviously does not understand the advantages it presents to business and private users alike.

Get your facts straight Vic and stop comparing apples to oranges...
 
This has to be just about the worst article I've ever read. I'm not just saying that because I don't agree with it either, its nonsensical and illogical, closer to someone's confused ramblings than professional journalism.
 
Just a small piece of information for all those who complain about Telkom's expensive ADSL service and for other commentators who may have forgotten: Telkom owns 50% of Vodacom. After VenFin recently sold its best asset - its 15% interest in Vodacom - Britain's massive Vodafone now holds the other 50% interest in Vodacom.

Eh? What? Um...Ok...I really feel silly for complaining now. :confused:

Just a small piece of information for Telkom: whatever you slipped Vic de Klerk for this bit of spin, it wasn't worth it. It barely rates as a wobble. In fact you should demand a refund. Perhaps get one of your pricey lawyers to sue him for damages. Even a member of the public who was as stupid as you think we all are wouldn't fall for this lame attempt to defame your critics and bolster your image before the publication of the, now much publicized, ad.
 
Vic de Klerk makes perfect business sense, but totally neglects to inform folks that all this profiteering is happening at the expense of ALL South Africans. Some folks may make some money, but they litterally choke chain the people of this country. Noble? :(
 
Vic de up the batty… Who gives a .…….. What is worse, getting it from telkom, or getting its from telkom and getting paid to say nice things!!!!

This is an endless debate. Just like the debate you can have with 10 friends about GOD and earth and the universe.. Will talk for hours and at the end (if it ever ends) no one wins and everyone is just mad..

One thing about cost of DSL i understand is that we are at the far bottom of Africa and getting cables here over loooonnng distance cost allot. Right? But holding SA hostage from getting full access to the world is just plain stupid and unfair.

If you want to uplift the economy, get children to learn, make business work better, make networks grow, get free education to more people faster then get SA's telecoms working better for us!! There is schools out there that get computers from companies and individuals, but most of these are limited to information coz the school cant afford to get an internet connection. Knowledge is power! But power is held by Telscum.

Economy 101, if the people are happy the country is happy!
 
You expect them to give you Lube?? You'll have to rent the bottle, rent the contents and only then you wont be able to get anything out of the bottle.

I think Vic doing crack - its the only possible explanation for his comments!
 
Well, if I pay a lot of money, and gets bad service in return, along with slow, unreliable speeds, then I have a right to complain.

Otherwise keep quiet and don't complain when we complain about telkom's poor service...
 
I say keep on complaining. It's only in the past 18 months or so that the press have taken to questioning Telkom's pricing and service. Before they seemed to be completely mute on the subject. MyADSL has helped galvanise opinion against Telkom immensely. Take a look at Google Finance's news column next to Telkom's stock information and you will see that many of the press articles are from MyADSL. These articles (Cara's especially) would sow quite a bit of doubt in any investors mind. Although Telkom would deny it, the consumer backlash has them deeply worried.
 
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Been dying to read this news report but I cant seem to access Fin24, yesterday or this morning.
Can someone please copy and paste.
 
Sneeky - try here http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1789_2056397


'Stop moaning' about Telkom
17/01/2007 14:39
By: Vic de Klerk

Johannesburg - Much noise is still being made about Telkom and its successes and failures. The noise is sometimes so bad that investors don't always see the merits of the share or the opportunities it offers.
Last week, the price of the old giant - which still has a taint of the old public service about it - again increased to R150, and this time it looks as if it will reach R175 with ease.

Let's for a moment set aside all the negative sentiment and reports concerning Telkom's late entry into the Africa market and the arrival one day of a new fixed line competitor in SA, and look instead at what Telkom really is.

In other words, start with MTN, currently in the process of becoming Africa's cellphone giant - and also in the Middle East. MTN's market capitalisation is currently R153bn.

Vodacom apparently has more subscribers in SA, but in total it's smaller than MTN. Vodacom isn't listed, but it isn't unrealistic to estimate its value at around R140bn.

Vodacom connection

Just a small piece of information for all those who complain about Telkom's expensive ADSL service and for other commentators who may have forgotten: Telkom owns 50% of Vodacom. After VenFin recently sold its best asset - its 15% interest in Vodacom - Britain's massive Vodafone now holds the other 50% interest in Vodacom.

At its current price of R150/share, investors only set a total price of R81bn on Telkom. Deduct the R70bn that Telkom's 50% interest in Vodacom could be worth and it looks as though investors feel that all Telkom's fixed line assets are only worth R10bn. That's ridiculous.

Telkom certainly no longer needs its investment in Vodacom. It could perhaps sell it to Vodafone, which could itself soon be taken over by a major US company. It and Vodafone could perhaps decide to list Vodacom (SA) on the JSE.

Such a listing would in fact kick off among the Top 10, presumably knocking Old Mutual out of eighth spot. Telkom could then distribute its Vodacom shares to its own shareholders.

Those are just a few possibilities; but whatever the answer, Telkom's fixed line assets are worth a lot more than R10bn - and that's why the share's a good buy.

'Excellent buying opportunity'

The share is currently trading at a very attractive price:earnings ratio of less than 9, according to the expected profit for the financial year to March 31 2007.

Analysts also expect that it will declare a special dividend of possibly as much as R10/share. That pushes its forward dividend yield at the current price up to more than 6%.

Graph aficionados say that Telkom's latest price movement confirms an excellent buying opportunity. The price already sent a strong buying sign early in December last year when it broke through the R135/share level.

The message is clear: stop complaining about Telkom. See it rather as a buying opportunity, even if you missed the increase from R135 to the current R150/share.

Buying into Telkom

There are also quite a number of derivatives on Telkom available. Those offer the bolder investor the opportunity to make use of the power of financial gearing for more profit if the share price does in fact start moving towards R175. The "turbo" instalment share (JSE code TKGSTA) issued on Telkom by Standard Bank looks very attractive.

By paying only R65 now, a prospective investor can buy a full Telkom share and enjoy all the benefits - including the possible special dividend - just like an ordinary shareholder.

The second instalment of R100/share is only payable in December. If Telkom's price rises to R175 between now and year-end 2007 and it pays a total dividend of R10/share, the return on that investment would be more than 30% for the year.

If Telkom decides to do something dynamic with its 50% interest in Vodacom, the value of the instalment share could easily double. That's the kind of chance that bold investors like.
 
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Thx Ozy, but all links to Fin24 for me are dead, weird.

Interesting article.
Last year this time TELKOM shares also surged, only to plummet again after everyone got their cash and dividends from the March results.
http://www.sharenet.co.za/?content=/webgraph/graph_shares.phtml?sname=telkom
Coincidence? Will have to see what happens after March '07.
Just a small piece of information for all those who complain about Telkom's expensive ADSL service and for other commentators who may have forgotten: Telkom owns 50% of Vodacom. After VenFin recently sold its best asset - its 15% interest in Vodacom - Britain's massive Vodafone now holds the other 50% interest in Vodacom.
If that comment is directed at this forum then I think the author underestimates the knowledge forumites have of the telecoms market. Old news and was a big thorn in Vodacom and Telkom sides with their expansion plans into Africa. MTN had a field day without Vodacom competition up north because Vodaphone blocked them. An agreement has since been reached between the 2 shareholders though.
At its current price of R150/share, investors only set a total price of R81bn on Telkom. Deduct the R70bn that Telkom's 50% interest in Vodacom could be worth and it looks as though investors feel that all Telkom's fixed line assets are only worth R10bn. That's ridiculous.

Telkom certainly no longer needs its investment in Vodacom.
In between the perhaps, ifs and buts this statement is intriguing, especially the last bit.
Can TELKOM really afford to be rid of Vodacom, considering the revenue it brings to the table and TKG? I wonder.

The reporter implies that in a hypothetical scenario, where TKG is stripped Vodacom, their (TKG) assets are horribly under-valued and this is the basis for recommending that people purchase shares, or even if Voda is not removed or sold off the company is worth more than the share price reflects?

Just a question, even if these assets are undervalued, what happens to their value in the advent of LLU which is on the cards, or is if SAT3 is liberated from their claws.

There is a lot happening behind the scenes in the telecoms market in SA, and frankly none of it is to TELKOM'S advantage.
No mention of the critical BCX acquisition fight in this article either which many see as crucial to TELKOM's profitability in the future.
 
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Just a small piece of information for all those who complain about Telkom's expensive ADSL service and for other commentators who may have forgotten: Telkom owns 50% of Vodacom. After VenFin recently sold its best asset - its 15% interest in Vodacom - Britain's massive Vodafone now holds the other 50% interest in Vodacom.
I'm sure I knew that already and had not forgotten that Telkodemonopolies owns 50% of Vodacom, but I fail to see the relevance to either ADSL nor Telkodemonopolies' exorbitant prices - the only relevance is that the only way to buy shares in Vodacom is to buy shares in Telkodemonopolies :(.
At its current price of R150/share, investors only set a total price of R81bn on Telkom. Deduct the R70bn that Telkom's 50% interest in Vodacom could be worth and it looks as though investors feel that all Telkom's fixed line assets are only worth R10bn. That's ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous? - the monopolistic beast hardly has any real fixed-line assets proportunate to the population in South Africa - where are these assets when the beast refuses to provide services to the majority of South Africans?

Buy into Telkodemonopolies at your own peril...:rolleyes:
 
The links is also dead for me... weird... but I posted my comments anyway. :D

LOL, all news about Telkom is bad news.

Wonder what Vic de Klerk say about all this.
The artical is really not up to standard, could swear Telkom gave this guy a free installation and a "closer" package. :D
 
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