Suarez and Evra Thread.

Randhir said:
Might be because he was at the end of Suarez's racial abuse. But whatever, obviously that ain't no thang.
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"Sudaca"... Look it up... It's what Evra called Suarez first. Eish!
 
Wonder what will happen if Terry is found guilty...

Will the FA not be inclined to ban him as well ?

Racism is often one-sided....

Racial profiling and stereotypes can't be based on past injustices.
 
Kitty09 said:
Suarez should not play football at all. He's a 12-year old midget who loves to dive a lot and cry when he doesn't get free kicks.
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12 year olds don't play in the EPL.


Enough players around end up crying when free kicks are not given. Try Serie A, its full of drama.
 
Randhir said:
The FA Report. Look it up. It's nonsense.
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I agree, the FA report is nonsense. That said, I find myself responding to the posts of someone who accuses Suarez of racial abuse but thinks United fans selling Klu-Klux-Klan masks, one of the most racially unacceptable images ever, at Old Trafford today a "joke". Peace out brother, I'm outta here... You have fun now.
 
greg0205 said:
I agree, the FA report is nonsense. That said, I find myself responding to the posts of someone who accuses Suarez of racial abuse but thinks United fans selling Klu-Klux-Klan masks, one of the most racially unacceptable images ever, at Old Trafford today a "joke". Peace out brother, I'm outta here... You have fun now.
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You have your interpretation, I have mine. This false umbrage at something that is hurting no one isn't fooling many, just LFC supporters.
 
I am a Liverpool supporter. (Not blindly mind you.)

My take on today's events:

Bad form from Suarez, he should have shook hands with Evra. Didn't need to be a friendly shake, nor did he need to acknowledge Evra in any other way if he didn't want to. If the handshake had taken place a lot of what followed could have been avoided.

Suarez's kick of the ball at the half was nothing. This has been witnessed numerous times before by frustrated players and will happen many times in the future. (Provided the kick was not aimed at opposition players or fans. From the view on tv I could not see where the kick actually went.)

Evra's celebration at the whistle was misguided. He does not celebrate every win over a major rival or move to the top of the table in this way. There were other motivations at play here.

Rio's refusal to shake hands with Suarez (like Suarez's refusal to do the same with Evra) due to some slight (perceived or actual) was petty. We're not 3rd Graders here, tit-for-tat injures both sides. Rise above Suarez's level, don't sink down to it.

Dalglish's comments after the game. He fell back on a variant on the old managerial favourite of "I never saw the incident." Come on, now Kenny, if you didn't actually see it yourself surely it would have been mentioned by someone in the two hours that followed? By all means show support for your club and players, but surely you are a level-headed, sensible member of broader society before you are the hard-headed, blinkered manager of a football club?

Ferguson's outrage. Understandable, as he would have thought that the handshake incident resulted in much of what followed. But suggesting that Suarez should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again because of it? I think not. Afterall this is the same man who had no qualms in selecting a player to play for him, who had previously leapt into the stands and kicked a spectator in the chest.

All in all, a day in which not many came out with their dignity intact (and yes, some more in tatters than others.) A number of times individuals had the chance to rise above the petiness, but chose not to do so.

Don't like saying this, but throughout this affair, LFC, it's players and supporters (though certainly not all of them) have shown a lack of class at times. And it has made me, for want of a better word, sad. There is still a chance in the days ahead for some redemption, and we'll need to wait to see what happens.

However, the above all being said, everytime Liverpool take the field I want them to win. And every time Luis Suarez dons that red shirt, I will want him to score.

The biggest question now though is, what happens next time the two clubs meet, and handshakes are expected?
 
Asy1um8 said:
Bad form from Suarez, he should have shook hands with Evra. Didn't need to be a friendly shake, nor did he need to acknowledge Evra in any other way if he didn't want to. If the handshake had taken place a lot of what followed could have been avoided.
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Agreed. Not to mention he lied to his manager about it.

Asy1um8 said:
Suarez's kick of the ball at the half was nothing. This has been witnessed numerous times before by frustrated players and will happen many times in the future. (Provided the kick was not aimed at opposition players or fans. From the view on tv I could not see where the kick actually went.)
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Agreed. It was petulant, but there's no point reprimanding him when so many others do it.



Asy1um8 said:
Rio's refusal to shake hands with Suarez (like Suarez's refusal to do the same with Evra) due to some slight (perceived or actual) was petty. We're not 3rd Graders here, tit-for-tat injures both sides. Rise above Suarez's level, don't sink down to it.
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Disagree, unfortunately. His wasn't a calculated slight. They were all (Evra included) going to shake with Suarez, but after what that chop did, I think Rio was right to tell him to f-off.


Asy1um8 said:
Dalglish's comments after the game. He fell back on a variant on the old managerial favourite of "I never saw the incident." Come on, now Kenny, if you didn't actually see it yourself surely it would have been mentioned by someone in the two hours that followed? By all means show support for your club and players, but surely you are a level-headed, sensible member of broader society before you are the hard-headed, blinkered manager of a football club?
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Not to mention he started to blame Sky for what happened with Suarez. The man is losing it.

Asy1um8 said:
Ferguson's outrage. Understandable, as he would have thought that the handshake incident resulted in much of what followed. But suggesting that Suarez should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again because of it? I think not. Afterall this is the same man who had no qualms in selecting a player to play for him, who had previously leapt into the stands and kicked a spectator in the chest.
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That isn't what he said. He said that he didn't think that, given LFC's history and prestige, a player like that shouldn't be gracing their team. And fyi about the Cantona incident, that Palace supporter was shouting racist remarks to him, so Fergie is consistent in his judgement :)

Asy1um8 said:
All in all, a day in which not many came out with their dignity intact (and yes, some more in tatters than others.) A number of times individuals had the chance to rise above the petiness, but chose not to do so.

Don't like saying this, but throughout this affair, LFC, it's players and supporters (though certainly not all of them) have shown a lack of class at times. And it has made me, for want of a better word, sad. There is still a chance in the days ahead for some redemption, and we'll need to wait to see what happens.

However, the above all being said, everytime Liverpool take the field I want them to win. And every time Luis Suarez dons that red shirt, I will want him to score.

The biggest question now though is, what happens next time the two clubs meet, and handshakes are expected?
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I've found a lot of my LFC supporting friend's as equally put off as you, so not all have fallen into the tribalistic trend. Over on the Guardian blogs, dozens of LFC supporters are lamenting what happened and the damage to Liverpool's reputation, again.

Next time, I don't expect it to be as heated (because of this anyway).
 
I couldn't help but notice that Liverpool decided not to wear the black armbands yesterday. They really are a despicable bunch.
 
icyrus said:
I couldn't help but notice that Liverpool decided not to wear the black armbands yesterday. They really are a despicable bunch.
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Ably encouraged by the so called "King Kenny", the man needs a guide dog,
Liverpool boss Kenny Dalgish on Luis Suarez's refusal to shake Patrice Evra's hand before kick-off, and whether that led to an alleged bust-up between Manchester United and Liverpool players in the tunnel at half-time: "I never knew Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand. I wasn't there, I never saw it. It's contrary to what I've been told. I think you're bang out of order to blame Luis Suarez for anything that happened here today. The majority of the fans behaved very well today, with a bit of banter between them."
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icyrus said:
I couldn't help but notice that Liverpool decided not to wear the black armbands yesterday. They really are a despicable bunch.
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Why should they have worn black arm bands? It's not like the Man Utd players wear black armbands on the anniversay of Hillsborough.
 
SinghDude said:
FFS....


Was not Suarez booed today ?


Opposition fans will always give opposing players stick !
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Yes Suarez was booed, he was probably also a victim in the whole thing. whether you presume innocence on Suarez's part or not, the booing is significantly different.
Like a set of fans booing one player for breaking their players leg and the rivals booing the opposing player because their player got banned, admittedly this example is way to simplified and watered down but merely to illustrate the difference and not compare scenarios.

He admitted to using the word he was accused of, and the panel deemed this word to be a racist term. But everything is still Evra's fault. Evra made a meal of it but Suarez opened the door so to say. Same with the reactions to the game yesterday.

My point is why is it disgraceful for united fans to mock Liverpool based on there own actions? They basically stood up for racism. Booing a player is nothing but booing a player because his made a case and won it is a different story.
So my point was don't call one set of fans disgraceful (it didn't originate from you) and condone another set of fans just because it is the team you support.

Liverpool have brought this image upon themselves with the way they handled the situation. check rival forums across the net. Most of these rivals probably hate united more, but the consensus seems to be in their favour.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions though, so I'm not saying the masses are right. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions. But the double standards ate appalling.
The songs United fans sang about Hillsborough and Heysel in the last game that was disgusting.
But in my opinion, the mocking of Liverpool with the masks, their actions throughout the case brought this on themselves. That's just my opinion though. And it is genuinely unbiased. I will disagree with fans actions as I did above, but that was a joke, and Liverpool have been a joke in this saga.
They could have done so much different which would have maintained rivals respect for them, that was and maybe should not be their intention but is another story all together.

I have always maintained a great deal of respect for Liverpool, although I like mocking them, but when serious I will have good things to say. My best friend is a Liverpool fan and we agree on lots of things while still having regular banter.

I'm gonna cool of this topic though I'll read your response and leave it at that. To me this whole situation is detracting from the football now and that makes it kinda irritating.

Cheers.
 
Fergie has been in this circus long enough to know that at times its better to cast the spotlight on an opposition player... He does it a lot with refs as well. MUFC know Suarez is a threat as a footballer alone,hence all the attention directed at him... Makes you wonder if he had played for UTD whether he will have been loved or hated...


Suarez is L'Pools best and most attacking player right now... Any pressure by opposition fans and the media in the hope of affecting his performance negatively on the pitch validate all or some of the accusations thrown in his direction...be it a cheat,racist or whatever else spin doctors can dream off.

Suarez should be judged on his football talents alone when the teams take to the pitch...

He has silenced most critics with the level of skill he has shown in the EPL to date !!!
 
SinghDude said:
Suarez should be judged on his football talents alone when the teams take to the pitch...

He has silenced most critics with the level of skill he has shown in the EPL to date !!!
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Maybe you ought to consider the obvious fact that people didn't make up the **** Suarez gets himself in. That's all his doing.
I do think there's too much focus on the handshake yesterday, it is his right to refuse to take Evra's hand. And watching now on skysports news, Evra behaved like a total dick yesterday.
 
Terry's saga aint over either...

The handshake saga should have been cancelled as was the case between QPR and Chelsea.

The facts as portrayed by the media suggest that Suarez although uttering a derogatory remark is NOT a racist..as indicated by Evra himself.

Put yourself in Suarez's shoe.. He was banned for something he believes he is NOT... 8games just coz the FA wants the world to believe they have a no nonsense approach against racism whilst its obvious that is far away from reality... Considering the FA has done fsckall for promoting Black managers across all divisions in the UK. The FA are closet racists themselves !!!
 
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