Suarez and Evra Thread.

hawker said:
I meant the 2nd part, I know I've said **** Evra more than once.

Don't you think it's a bit fishy? Like One man's word against anothers? No other evidence (that we know of)? If the ban is upheld then it sets a massive precedent for the future whereby players can get each other banned "because he said xyz."
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no this is a MAN UTD player's word vs another player's word.
 
zahpat said:
Lets see what happens with Terry now!
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Nothing will happen. The police will say insufficent evidence or something, then the FA will say it has been dealt with by a higher power and there is nothing more they can do. Then JT gets off scott free for calling someone a black c**t (with video evidence).

Announcement from the police is expected shortly btw.
 
fishfly said:
He was just proven guilty... what other proof do you want? the transcript of the proceeding?
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Actually, he wasn't proven guilty, but adjudged to be. There is no evidence to corroborate Evra’s claims- no video evidence, nothing heard on the pitch side microphones, no team mate to back up his story, not even the match officials.

In fact, the only evidence that anything was said was Suarez admitting he called Evra a “negrito”, which many South American pundits and journalists state is not offensively used within those sub cultures.

Where the lack of consistency is truly terrible is that Evra admitted that Suarez is not a racist man. Evra also admitted to insulting Suarez using a very foul Spanish insult, for which he interestingly has not been charged. And to make matters worse, this is not Evra’s first claim of racism.

I recall him making similar claims to Chelsea ground staff at Stamford Bridge some time ago, a claim that resulted in him being fined for “for supplying “exaggerated and unreliable” evidence”. As Liverpool rightly stated, not a credible statement on Evra’s part.

Will be interesting to see what the FA state as evidence for the ban…
 
Third Blue From the Sun said:
Actually, he wasn't proven guilty, but adjudged to be. There is no evidence to corroborate Evra’s claims- no video evidence, nothing heard on the pitch side microphones, no team mate to back up his story, not even the match officials.

In fact, the only evidence that anything was said was Suarez admitting he called Evra a “negrito”, which many South American pundits and journalists state is not offensively used within those sub cultures.

Where the lack of consistency is truly terrible is that Evra admitted that Suarez is not a racist man. Evra also admitted to insulting Suarez using a very foul Spanish insult, for which he interestingly has not been charged. And to make matters worse, this is not Evra’s first claim of racism.

I recall him making similar claims to Chelsea ground staff at Stamford Bridge some time ago, a claim that resulted in him being fined for “for supplying “exaggerated and unreliable” evidence”. As Liverpool rightly stated, not a credible statement on Evra’s part.

Will be interesting to see what the FA state as evidence for the ban…
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What he said. ^^^^

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Third Blue From the Sun said:
And to make matters worse, this is not Evra’s first claim of racism.

I recall him making similar claims to Chelsea ground staff at Stamford Bridge some time ago, a claim that resulted in him being fined for “for supplying “exaggerated and unreliable” evidence”. As Liverpool rightly stated, not a credible statement on Evra’s part.
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For the 50th time.

That. Is. Not. True.

Those are lies. Spread by LFC journalist. Maybe it's time you did some research before you post. Or maybe just read the whole thread.
 
zahpat said:
Lets see what happens with Terry now!
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Sadly, Terry will most likely receive a lesser ban, if even that. The FA are usually very lenient towards their own.

As a Chelsea fan, I personally feel that if he is found guilty, he should serve a ban at least as long as the one Suarez was given.
 
Third Blue From the Sun said:
Sadly, Terry will most likely receive a lesser ban, if even that. The FA are usually very lenient towards their own.

As a Chelsea fan, I personally feel that if he is found guilty, he should serve a ban at least as long as the one Suarez was given.
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Longer. However, there is another thread for that.
 
Randhir said:
For the 50th time.

That. Is. Not. True.

Those are lies. Spread by LFC journalist. Maybe it's time you did some research before you post. Or maybe just read the whole thread.
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Perhaps you should do some research:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4593815,00.html

An FA statement read: "The regulatory commission found a charge of improper conduct against Patrice Evra proved on all four elements of the charge.

"The Commission found that his conduct during a warm-down session following the Chelsea v Manchester United, Premier League fixture on April 26 2008, was improper in that:

"a) Mr Evra pushed the Chelsea head groundsman with his chest (as was admitted by Mr Evra)

"b) He struck Mr Sam Bethell, a groundsman at Chelsea, on the side of his head

"c) He subsequently, ie after the previous incident had begun to calm down, ran back to confront Mr Bethell again (as was also admitted by Mr Evra)

"d) Then became involved in a further physical altercation with Mr Bethell.

"The Commission considered this was an incident of violent behaviour by Mr Evra which was therefore punished by a suspension for four first team matches as from Monday, December 22 and imposed a fine of Ł15,000 on Mr Evra.

"The Regulatory Commission found two charges against Chelsea both proved. On the first charge the Commission found that during the course of the same incidents connected with the warm-down by Manchester United players, Chelsea employee Mr Sam Bethell, had conducted himself in a disorderly fashion and that his conduct and language had been abusive and provocative.

"Charges against Mr Bethell had previously been dismissed on the ground that the FA had no jurisdiction over him personally. Chelsea were charged because they failed in their responsibility to ensure that their employee Mr Bethell conducted himself in an orderly fashion and refrained from abusive and provocative conduct and language. The commission fined Chelsea Ł25,000 on this charge.

"An allegation that Mr Bethell had engaged in racist conduct or language was not proved. Accordingly, so far as the charge against Chelsea was based on its alleged responsibility for such racist conduct and language by Mr Bethell, the charge against the club was not proved.

"A second charge against Chelsea of failure to specify in Mr Bethell's contract of employment by the club that Mr Bethell was directly under the disciplinary control of the FA was upheld but the commission did not find it appropriate to impose any penalty on that charge.

"Mr Evra and Chelsea were each ordered to pay half the costs of the regulatory commission proceedings."
 
Third Blue From the Sun said:
Perhaps you should do some research:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4593815,00.html

An FA statement read: "The regulatory commission found a charge of improper conduct against Patrice Evra proved on all four elements of the charge.

"The Commission found that his conduct during a warm-down session following the Chelsea v Manchester United, Premier League fixture on April 26 2008, was improper in that:

"a) Mr Evra pushed the Chelsea head groundsman with his chest (as was admitted by Mr Evra)

"b) He struck Mr Sam Bethell, a groundsman at Chelsea, on the side of his head

"c) He subsequently, ie after the previous incident had begun to calm down, ran back to confront Mr Bethell again (as was also admitted by Mr Evra)

"d) Then became involved in a further physical altercation with Mr Bethell.

"The Commission considered this was an incident of violent behaviour by Mr Evra which was therefore punished by a suspension for four first team matches as from Monday, December 22 and imposed a fine of Ł15,000 on Mr Evra.

"The Regulatory Commission found two charges against Chelsea both proved. On the first charge the Commission found that during the course of the same incidents connected with the warm-down by Manchester United players, Chelsea employee Mr Sam Bethell, had conducted himself in a disorderly fashion and that his conduct and language had been abusive and provocative.

"Charges against Mr Bethell had previously been dismissed on the ground that the FA had no jurisdiction over him personally. Chelsea were charged because they failed in their responsibility to ensure that their employee Mr Bethell conducted himself in an orderly fashion and refrained from abusive and provocative conduct and language. The commission fined Chelsea Ł25,000 on this charge.

"An allegation that Mr Bethell had engaged in racist conduct or language was not proved. Accordingly, so far as the charge against Chelsea was based on its alleged responsibility for such racist conduct and language by Mr Bethell, the charge against the club was not proved.

"A second charge against Chelsea of failure to specify in Mr Bethell's contract of employment by the club that Mr Bethell was directly under the disciplinary control of the FA was upheld but the commission did not find it appropriate to impose any penalty on that charge.

"Mr Evra and Chelsea were each ordered to pay half the costs of the regulatory commission proceedings."
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Please highlight the part of your post where it says Evra made a claim of racism.
 
Randhir said:
Please highlight the part of your post where it says Evra made a claim of racism.
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Sorry, I didn't include the portion from the article indicating the racism claim. From the same article:

A statement on Chelsea's official website said: "Chelsea would like to thank the Football Association for their decision that there was no racist element involved in the incident between Patrice Evra and Sam Bethell, a member of the Chelsea ground staff.

"Chelsea always strenuously denied the racist allegation and that position has been totally vindicated by the FA.

"Alleging racism is one of the most serious accusations that can be made in football. Chelsea has a zero-tolerance attitude towards racism and is fighting hard with the rest of football to rid all forms of discrimination from the game.
 
Third Blue From the Sun said:
Sorry, I didn't include the portion from the article indicating the racism claim. From the same article:

A statement on Chelsea's official website said: "Chelsea would like to thank the Football Association for their decision that there was no racist element involved in the incident between Patrice Evra and Sam Bethell, a member of the Chelsea ground staff.

"Chelsea always strenuously denied the racist allegation and that position has been totally vindicated by the FA.

"Alleging racism is one of the most serious accusations that can be made in football. Chelsea has a zero-tolerance attitude towards racism and is fighting hard with the rest of football to rid all forms of discrimination from the game.
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Again, show me where it was said that Evra made the claim of racism. Dig a little deeper.
 
Randhir said:
Last time I checked, the EPL wasn't being played in any of those countries.
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Yeah but given the cosmopolitan nature of the EPL, not including cultural interpretation of the language used is insane.
Also somebody please rename this thread. It's "Suarez".
 
LazyDemoni said:
Yeah but given the cosmopolitan nature of the EPL, not including cultural interpretation of the language used is insane.
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Granted, but Suarez has been out of Uruguay (and in Europe) for long enough to know what is and is not acceptable, especially since race is such a touchy subject.
 
Suarez really has a good chance of overturning the decision IMO,
 
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