Taking everything from whites will not solve the problem: ANC

Nick333 said:
Well I have to wonder why he felt the need to raise the point then.
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Perhaps he was prompted by the same victim mentality which somehow seeks to suggest that white people are the victims in this equation, when in fact it is the opposite. They are in fact the beneficiaries.
 
ngwe23 said:
There in no evidence of that. Since the introduction of BEE white people have continued to prosper in SA. More importantly, black people have made inroads into the middle class. No?
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Bee had little to do with that (excluding the connected of course).
The people's ability and willingness to achieve however...

I actually hate to imagine how it would feel to have your achievement attributed to something like a policy.


Sarcasm on /
Bloody hell wonderful way to make a group of people feel inferior, who needs fanus from poffadder to spit racism when bee does such an outstanding job.
 
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ngwe23 said:
Perhaps he was prompted by the same victim mentality which somehow seeks to suggest that white people are the victims in this equation, when in fact it is the opposite. They are in fact the beneficiaries.
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You really do hate white people don't you? I reckon given the chance you would happily agree that white people should be... what was the word again, oh yes... disposed.
 
onlyme said:
This kind of mindset always astonishes me. the inability to see the bigger picture. yes it's aimed at uplifting black people, but many white people are being affected, a kind of collateral damage.

As for unemployment figures, if you understand how these figures are calculated, you wouldn't let the 6% number fool you.

BEE directly led to my father's business going insolvent. he had a small trucking company, when his biggest client implemented a BEE policy, they summarily cancelled his contracts. The BEE laws allowed them to do that, he was not given a chance to improve his own BEE score, even though at the time all his employees many of who where friends were black.

My father then tried to re-enter the job market, AA made it very difficult, eventually, realizing that his age and his skin color both count against him, he gave up. He has been unemployed for more than 10 years. but since he is not actively looking for work, he is not included in the 6%
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The only people that do not see the bigger picture are people such as your self who think life began in 94 and anything prior to that has no effect on the present moving forward. That self centered and myopic view of things infuriates me. I have deep sympathy for your father but I have even deeper sympathy for those that never had the opportunity to en a business because they were robbed of that ability by the previous government. Those who had to endure Bantu education.

Why do you automatically conclude that your father didn't get a job because of his color. White people get jobs every day.could it be a question of age. Skills perhaps. When did BEE become a scape for those that those that fail one way or the other to get a job. When a black person doesn't get a job it is because he is not educated or is not skilled but with white people it is because of BEE. It is high time some folk address their own inadequacies rather than playing a blame game.

If you think the 25% is the true number then you also mistaken as it doesn't account for those that have given up. The unemployment level among black people is desperate.
 
AstroTurf said:
Bee had little to do with that (excluding the connected of course).
The people's ability and willingness to achieve however...

I actually hate to imagine how it would feel to have your achievement attributed to something like a policy.


Sarcasm on /
Bloody hell wonderful way to make a group of people feel inferior, who needs fanus from poffadder to spit racism when bee does such an outstanding job.
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Ooh please. White business left to its own devises will gravitate towards their own given the same abilities.
 
ngwe23 said:
Your are talking hot air in your attempt to sound clever or explain an in-cohesive concept. "they are less concerned with making money and more concerned with getting money" WTF
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Please read the sentence that follows that one to understand where your "WTF" comes from.
 
ngwe23 said:
Ooh please. White business left to its own devises will gravitate towards their own given the same abilities.
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I'm sure some would.

Less harm than making a race of people believe they need a policy to be equal and another feel they are being discriminated against, polarising a nation and inventing new ways to act dumb as dirt or angry as a rabid badger because of appearance with absolutely nothing to show for it.

Slaughter the cows so that the goats have more grazing and pull out your neighbors grass so you both have matching dirt gardens.


/Sarcasm on.

Thank you anc, aa and bee for verifying that my race is superior.

Now give the special needs kids a medal, wink wink nudge nudge.

/Sarcasm off
 
Oh and another thing, if social engineering policies like aa and bee were really designed to improve the lot of the poor and needy instead of enriching politicians and garnering votes through polarisation they would have been called something like Affirmative Education and Social Economic Empowerment.

The focus would have been on class as opposed to race and the rainbow never have been tarred and feathered.
 
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ngwe23 said:
The only people that do not see the bigger picture are people such as your self who think life began in 94 and anything prior to that has no effect on the present moving forward. That self centered and myopic view of things infuriates me. I have deep sympathy for your father but I have even deeper sympathy for those that never had the opportunity to en a business because they were robbed of that ability by the previous government. Those who had to endure Bantu education.

Why do you automatically conclude that your father didn't get a job because of his color. White people get jobs every day.could it be a question of age. Skills perhaps. When did BEE become a scape for those that those that fail one way or the other to get a job. When a black person doesn't get a job it is because he is not educated or is not skilled but with white people it is because of BEE. It is high time some folk address their own inadequacies rather than playing a blame game.

If you think the 25% is the true number then you also mistaken as it doesn't account for those that have given up. The unemployment level among black people is desperate.
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You are extremely conflicted in your views, and making conflicting statements. Much a case of "pot...kettle...black", except white in your case.

You may wish to introduce a bit of realism.
 
in other words, blade is telling them, if they are racist! take everything from them!
 
What you mean taking everything from whites won't solve anything? Why are we even talking about this?

**** you Gwede.
 
Beerisgood said:
What you mean taking everything from whites won't solve anything? Why are we even talking about this?

**** you Gwede.
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exactly my point, they have an element amongst them that think the anc mean the opposite of what they say in the media(because the media is evil and this is how you trick the media), its a secret message to them, students have said this to me in clubs and bars.. how f'dup is that.
 
The only real way South Africa can get out of this hole is to generate more jobs. The only way to generate jobs is to create more entrepreneurs that can start businesses and create those much needed jobs. The only way to create more entrepreneurs is to have a world class education system, from the get go (aka Grade 0).

SA has a extremely bad education system, failing the students, the ones that are left behind are the ones that can afford it the least. The poorest of the blacks, in the township schools just cannot get out of the hole. And whose fault is that? After 25 years it cannot be blamed on apartheid anymore. Surely this is the fault of the ANC government. Of course there are some standout schools from previously disadvantage areas, but there are only a handful...

The first generation of after apartheid children should have been properly educated by now, and created jobs. But that didn't happen. Now the problem is being rectified by making jobs exclusive to a certain demographic, and in most cases, the most qualified candidate is not hired due to policy, and this is plainly wrong.

It is time we all take a stand against the education system. If we can implement a proper system next year, in 20 years we can reap the rewards, but unfortunately the ANC has too much to loose from an educated country...
 
access said:
exactly my point, they have an element amongst them that think the anc mean the opposite of what they say in the media(because the media is evil and this is how you trick the media), its a secret message to them, students have said this to me in clubs and bars.. how f'dup is that.
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He's just letting whitey know that this is a possibility.
 
ngwe23 said:
There you go again with your siege mentality. No one is after you. No one whats to take your stuff. We just want a fair share in the opportunities that exist in SA. We just wanted to be given the space, just like your fore fathers were by the previous government, to create wealth.
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I point out a (likely) mistake in choice of words/article and you conclude siege mentality.

Ja bru...don't think I need to respond further there...
 
Ancalagon said:
This is exactly what the ANC still believes though.

eTolls not making enough money? Tax the whites.

Want universal healthcare? Tax the whites.

AA and BEE not working out like you promised? Take more jobs from the whites.
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Can anyone please show me where these different tax rates are for blacks and whites?
 
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